I feel you on this. People are so concerned with knocking the bosses off the edge. It's why I'm putting off raiding until I can get a One and raid with my friends. Doing the fight legit is a lot more fun than pushing Atheon and the Templar. The people that are adamant about doing it and start applying a eugenics-esque philosophy to VoG runs are the same kids who complain about Xur and how they "earned" their exotics