it illustrates though that they are very much approaching everything from a PvP mindset people want lvl 30 without doing raid, so put it into a crucible event, why not for doing the nightfall a certain amount of times, or soloing it? they said in the weekly update that they wanted people to get together for a few days to play iron banner - don't they get it - a significant portion of the user base are not like the Bungies devs, they don't want to play PvP