it illustrates though that they are very much approaching everything from a PvP mindset people want lvl 30 without doing raid, so put it into a crucible event, why not for doing the nightfall a certain amount of times, or soloing it? they said in the weekly update that they wanted people to get together for a few days to play iron banner - don't they get it - a significant portion of the user base are not like the Bungies devs, they don't want to play PvP

I get your complaint but your point is not valid Mainly you don't play PvP and are being upset you won t be that speciall lvl 30 snowflafe.

that's not it at all, I got real lucky with raid gear drops on one of my characters, so I will, it's just I know plenty of people who've done the raid way more than me and are still waiting on that elusive one piece of armor I wasn't saying anyone should have a path to lvl 30, just saying that when people complained about that, Bungie are going to fix it by putting it into a crucible event - the complaint about getting to lvl 30 was from PvE players - why put it into a crucible event the other thing is I've worked really hard to level up the other three factions on one of my characters, I don't see why I should have to have crucible rep to buy weapons from them, it should be vanguard marks