Even if we're 30, we're prepping for the next raid by having armor with the stats we want (for me it's discipline and intellect) and on top of that a full set of raid armor so that we can swap in exotics to fit the situation. Being level is meaningless unless you have an arsenal of weapons to match. Assuming each player wants to collect 3 elemental primaries and then a special / heavy weapon of every element you are looking at: 6 weapon x 3 element x 18 energies = 324 ascendant energies that need to be farmed. You can net around 25-40 energies a week if you do the HM raid 3x and dismantle all the extras. Then after that you need 72 resources for each weapon so that's 1296 of a combination of spin/helium/spirit/relic that has to be collected. Any additional weapon will be another 72 resources and 18/21 shards depending on if the item is exotic or legendary. Hopefully with the raids, the weekly nightfalls and heroics and the dailies most of us will be done with our arsenals by december for the next raid .... PS - Most people who have raided before in other MMOs are used to this grinding. Anyone remember farming FR gear for Vanilla WoW Tier 1? :D