Anyone who knows me....knows that I respect any Gamer. .....That means how they game, what they game on, games they play etc etc etc.... I just gotta say though...where is there any satisfaction in Cheesing it? Especially on hard? When our group went in for the Raid the first time...none of us had looked up anything.....no research....we wanted a BLIND RUN. 10 hours later....we were finally at the timegates....but were braindead as a team...and unable to finish. When we did finish a few days later...starting completely over....the satisfaction of Atheon bursting into flames was unmatched. That will be the same for when we complete a hard run.....so I cant imagine robbing myself of that satisfaction. To each their own....no judgement here. Just looking for understanding of that point of view.