Anyone who knows me....knows that I respect any Gamer. .....That means how they game, what they game on, games they play etc etc etc.... I just gotta say though...where is there any satisfaction in Cheesing it? Especially on hard? When our group went in for the Raid the first time...none of us had looked up anything.....no research....we wanted a BLIND RUN. 10 hours later....we were finally at the timegates....but were braindead as a team...and unable to finish. When we did finish a few days later...starting completely over....the satisfaction of Atheon bursting into flames was unmatched. That will be the same for when we complete a hard run.....so I cant imagine robbing myself of that satisfaction. To each their own....no judgement here. Just looking for understanding of that point of view.

When you beat it 24 times, yes 24 and still dont have what you want, the sense of accomplishment wore off 20 games ago, now I just want to hurry roll the dice and continue with my day. FML loot system!!

Fair enough. You think maybe the fact you are hitting a certain number of kills, gate teleports, chests etc.....that may have something to do with the % chance of a better roll you will get? I know the first time our squad got all 5 chests....we ALL got Raid Gear we needed....and Exotics/Legendary Raid Weapons.....way more than we normally got.

Nope. I carried a 28 through atheon real quick, and he got the helm, vex,and sparrow. One drop. I have tried doing it on easy first then hard, all the way thorough, from check points. Doesn't matter still no vex Or hunter gauntlets.

yea Vex Only in hard