had some friends pull me into atheon on hard, only 3 runs thru the raid prior to this point but was lucky enough to get all 3 peices of armor from normal on the second time thru. they brought me in as a lvl 30, knowing I had crap weapons (they been makin fun of me for days for being lvl 30 and still having blue weapons, my luck was crap till that one raid), knowing I've done nothing but guard the gates. and put me in the relic holder position. something that would have taken them 10-15 mins to do took us nearly 40 mins with me in that clutch position. but I learned how to use the shield. when to jump and smash when to slash and when to shield charge. by the end apart from a few glitches where the mobs took no damage when I hit them I was able to clear them all out get back up cleanse and then super one of the oricals as they had to stop and reload.