More importantly what the -blam!- is he comparing? He feels treated unfair over a video game and starts spewing out MLK? Lemme break this down for him real quick. HE FOUGHT FOR CIVIL EQUALITY and to end long standing government approved racism. That really compares to an RNG loot system VIDEO GAME? Are you kidding me?

This guy wins the thread

[quote]You posted in a reply stating, [quote]"That's exactly what the people in MLKs time would tell him. Most peoples interest at his time didn't match with what MLK wanted. Just because it's not popular, doesn't mean its not the right thing to do."[/quote] The context in which you are referring to is Martin L. King Jr.'s ideology of equal rights for all people of all race, ethnicity and gender. In other terms - Martin believed that everyone should be granted equal opportunity and equal access to opportunities and none should be suppressed, even the rich and white. He had a dream that both a white person and a black person could shake each other's hands and consider themselves equal. To be competition, to better themselves and strive for the betterment of their community. Which is really what confuses me, since your suggestion about wiping players accounts due to unfairness is suppressive, the complete opposite of MLK Jr. Every player has equal opportunity to obtain the Vex Mythoclast. Every player is ran under the same RNG system. Every player can choose to play OP weapons and OP classes. That is their choice as a player. So how exactly is this current setup no different than MLK Jr.'s dream? Every player that enters the world of Destiny is given complete free will to use the content as they want (with a few boundaries defined by the Code of Conduct). Each individual is on equal playing field with one another to outcompete or to fail. Resetting players accounts in order to achieve "fairness" [u]is still a form of suppression.[/u] The players who put in the work to obtain Vex Mythoclast are punished. The players who preformed highly in PVP are punished The only players who benefit from this are the players who have not been lucky with RNG (which has the same probability of dropping for everyone), and the players who have preformed poorly in the crucible. Even those who profit from a hard wipe [b]still[/b] loose. That is their work, time, and energy being reset. A small minority of players benefit from this while the masses suffer. That does not sound like a equal society to me. Thus, this is the logic as to why I see your reply was illogical. I would be interested to see what your reply would be to my argument and see if you can prove me wrong.[/quote] Well...[spoiler]I think your an idiot and you should get good scrub.[/spoiler]

I will give you that, oppression was probably the better term to use. By suppression, I meant the restraint on the gaming community as a whole. However, oppression does fit much better, seeing as a hard wipe is a unjust control and cruel treatment of the gaming community. However, I strongly believe you are wrong about my RNG statement being null. In my post, I stated that every player is ran through the same RNG system. What is implicated in that statement is that each player is presented with equal opportunity rather than equal gain. Each player is presented with the same allocated attempts at obtaining the Mythoclast and the same drop rate percentage. If equal opportunity is null as you say it is, then that means drop chance does not exist. Therefore a Mythoclast would always drop for all players or it would never drop for all players. Player A obtains a Mythoclast on their first ever hard mode raid attempt. Player B has ran the hard mode 2 weeks in a row on three characters and has not obtained the Mythoclast. What can be assumed is player A is more lucky than player B. What is not commonly assumed is the drop potential of other items for player B. Player B may have received one or more of many of the highly lusted raid rewards which would allow player B to preform at a higher threshold in both PVE and PVP. Even deeper, what is not assumed at all is the previous luck of player B in all other activities, compared to player A's luck in previous activities. In other words, the more an action is repeated, the more clear an average will become. Player A may have preformed poorly in the past due to unlucky drops while player B may have preformed highly due to lucky drops. Your argument did gain a good amount of strength due to the announcement of the Atheon glitch patch. This leaves us with a conundrum, seeing as both of our arguments come with flaws and strengths. Your argument punishes the cheaters, but has massive collateral damage to the vast majority of the player-base who does not cheat and/or does not care about their stats. My argument in a sense rewards cheaters, with little to no implication to the majority. This is why I propose a third option - Any players who are dissatisfied with their stats may choose to reset their crucible stats back to zero. This option is only to be available for a short time after major rebalancing patches where a player may feel their stats were affected in part by unfair weapon and class imbalances. - MLK Jr. [quote]“We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.”[/quote] This quote is awfully relevant to the RNG system. In a Destiny scenario, finite disappointment would be not receiving a overpowered weapon such as the Mythoclast on hard completion. Infinite hope would be the faith and determination that one day, the Mythoclast will be dropped. It sounds like Mr. King would not have a issue with the equality in this game.

[quote] Those who took advantage will essentially have a cushion to help out their through much of their PvP activities.[/quote] So? Does it matter in the long run? The majority of the advantageous gear in this game in PvP is handed out through LUCK. Not equal opportunities and working towards something for the same payout as everybody else. This isn't a job where you work and get paid, work and get promoted. This is a game where you play and have random loot dropped at your feet for no reason. Random players get "cushions" every day for doing NOTHING other than playing. You can kill a Level 1 Dreg and get a Legendary Primary Weapon Engram that decodes to The Last Word, then go into the Crucible and slaughter players without it, who did a lot more than that to get their gear. Mythoclast will only be a "good" weapon after rebalancing is completed, anyway, not the end all solution to every encounter and the actual amount who managed to cheese Atheon and get the Mythoclast is, quite literally, in the 0.1%.

Then go do somme crucible and just increase your KD then. it is the most logical thing to do. Say that you are in a competition and that your adversary have a much better body strength than yours & that he use is tool with skill.. you still can counter him with more effort.

Owned by a professor

[quote]You posted "[quote]That's exactly what the people in MLKs time would tell him. Most peoples interest at his time didn't match with what MLK wanted. Just because it's not popular, doesn't mean its not the right thing to do.[/quote] The context in which you are referring to is Martin L. King Jr.'s ideology of equal rights for all people of all race, ethnicity and gender. In other terms - Martin believed that everyone should be granted equal opportunity and equal access to opportunities and none should be suppressed, even the rich and white. He had a dream that both a white person and a black person could shake each other's hands and consider themselves equal. To be competition, to better themselves and strive for the betterment of their community. Which is really what confuses me, since your suggestion about wiping players accounts due to unfairness is suppressive, the complete opposite of MLK Jr. Every player has equal opportunity to obtain the Vex Mythoclast. Every player is ran under the same RNG system. Every player can choose to play OP weapons and OP classes. That is their choice as a player. So how exactly is this current setup no different than MLK Jr.'s dream? Every player that enters the world of Destiny is given complete free will to use the content as they want (with a few boundaries defined by the Code of Conduct). Each individual is on equal playing field with one another to outcompete or to fail. Resetting players accounts in order to achieve "fairness" [u]is still a form of suppression.[/u] The players who put in the work to obtain Vex Mythoclast are punished. The players who preformed highly in PVP are punished The only players who benefit from this are the players who have not been lucky with RNG (which has the same probability of dropping for everyone), and the players who have preformed poorly in the crucible. Even those who profit from a hard wipe [b]still[/b] loose. That is their work, time, and energy being reset. A small minority of players benefit from this while the masses suffer. That does not sound like a equal society to me. Thus, this is the logic as to why I see your reply was illogical. I would be interested to see what your reply would be to my argument and see if you can prove me wrong.[/quote] *sniff sniff* That's so beautiful (mainly smart) *sobs*