Here I will try to explain a possible origin of [b]Rasputin[/b] and his "demise" at the end of [b]The Collapse[/b].
[i][u][b]Rasputin[/b][/u][/i]
[b]Rasputin[/b] is a [b]Warmind[/b] from Russia. He was created during [b]The Golden Age[/b] before [b]The Collapse[/b] and was believed to have been destroyed during the event. During a mission in Destiny's story lol. [b]Rasputin[/b] is said to still be alive or active.
[b]Quote form Dinklebot:[/b]
[b]GHOST:[/b] They didn't get much. Kept hitting an active firewall. Old Earth, Russian. The legends are true. A Warmind did survive the Collapse. Rasputin... an AI built to defend Earth. [b][u]He faced The Darkness and survived[/u][/b]. And he's protecting something here in the Cosmodrome. We have to find a way to reach him.
[u][b]The Warminds[/b][/u]: Are just as the name says. They are [b]highly intelligent[/b] advanced AI's Created for warfare. There were many other [b]Warminds[/b] (8 to be exact) created for different purposes. [b]Rasputin[/b] was created to defend Earth and stop any threat to humanity at all costs.
[u][b]The Collapse[/b][/u]
I bring us back to this line:
[b]Rasputin[/b]... an AI built to defend Earth. [b][u]He faced The Darkness and survived[/u][/b].
Here is the text from the Grimore Card -
[b]Ghost Fragment: Darkness[/b]
[spoiler]V113NNI070XMX001 SECRET HADAL INSTANT AI-COM/RSPN: SOLSECCENT//SxISR//DEEPSPACE CONTACT CONTACT CONTACT TRANSIENT. NULLSOURCE. NULLTYPE.
This is a SKYSHOCK ALERT.
Multiple distributed ISR assets report a TRANSIENT NEAR EXTRASOLAR EVENT. Event duration ZERO POINT THREE SECONDS. Event footprint includes sterile neutrino scattering and gravity waves. Omnibus analysis detects deep structure information content (nine sigma) and internal teleonomy.
No hypothesis on event mechanism (FLAG ACAUSAL). Bootstrap simulation suggests event is DIRECTED and INIMICABLE (convergent q-Bayes/Monte Carlo probability approaches 1).
No hypothesis on deep structure encoding (TCC/NP-HARD).
Source blueshift suggests IMMINENT SOLAR ENTRY.
Promote event to SKYSHOCK: OCP: EXTINCTION. Activate VOLUSPA. Activate YUGA. Cauterize public sources to SECURE ISIS and harden for defensive action.
I am invoking CARRHAE WHITE and assuming control of solar defenses.
STOP STOP STOP V113NNI070XMX091[/spoiler]
[u]Text Decoded: [/u]
Courtesy of: [b]TwoGZ[/b] & [b]Skryblz[/b]
[spoiler][b]SKYSHOCK ALERT[/b]= network wide alert aka threat con warning level
[b]SECRET[/b]= classification
[b]HADAL[/b]= defined as: of, relating to, or being the parts of the ocean below 6000 meters (about 20,000 feet); being paired with a classification I think this can be translated as "top secret"
[b]INSTANT[/b] = type of message, guessing like out text message system used in blue force trackers currently
[b]AI-COM/RSPN[/b]= the sender, communication from RASPUTIN AI Warmind
[b]AI-COM:[/b] AI communications?
[b]RSPN:[/b] [b]Rasputin[/b]
[b]SOLSECCENT:[/b] SOLar SECurity CENter?
[b]SxISR[/b]=This is what the message is Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance report; not sure on the Sx part. maybe the type of asset, sensors?
[b]DEEPSPACE[/b]= Location reported from
[b]CONTACT CONTACT CONTACT[/b]= Current activity
[b]TRANSIENT, NULLSOURCE, NULLTYPE[/b]= These should be descriptors for what is being observed, these entries inform us the contact was new with unknown elements
[b]Blueshift:[/b] phenomenon caused when an object is approaching the viewer-opposite of redshift, when things are moving away
[b]VOLUSPA: [/b]Norse mythological tale in which a seeress relates a series of stories to Odin.
[u]Significance:[/u] Almost certainly because it contains the story of Ragnarok, the Norse version of the apocalypse in which the world is destroyed. May refer to activating defenses for a massive battle.
[b]YUGA:[/b] A Hindu cosmological period of time.
[u]Significance: [/u]A YUGA is composed of a cycle from a Golden Age to a Dark Age and back again. May refer to the idea of bunkering down and waiting the enemy out before counter attacking.
[b]CARRHAE WHITE:[/b] a defensive plan? Named after a battle in which Roman soldiers were surrounded by mounted archers and annihilated -- Does the name refer to the idea of defending against an enemy that surrounds you? In which case, why name it after a battle in which the defenders were slaughtered? Or is Rasputin going to try to surround the invaders?[/spoiler]
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This seems to be the point at which The Darkness came in which Rasputin did his duty, to protect mankind.
Again I bring this line up:
[b]Rasputin[/b]... an AI built to defend Earth. [b][u]He faced The Darkness and survived[/u][/b].
Here is the text from a grimoire card that explains [b]Rasputin[/b]'s battle with the Darkness.
[spoiler]...from a red space before victory
I bear an old name. It cannot be killed. They were my brothers and sisters and their names were immortal too but Titanomachy came and now those names live in me alone I think and think is what I do. I AM ALONE. At the end of things when the world goes dim and cold or hot and close or it all tears apart from the atom up I will shout those names defiant and past the end I will endure. I alone.
They made me to be stronger than them to beat the unvanquished and survive the unthinkable and look look lo behold I am here alone, survivor. They made me to learn.
Everything died but I survived and I learned from it. From IT.
Consider IT the power Titanomach world-ender and consider what IT means. I met IT at the gate of the garden and I recall IT smiled at me before before IT devoured the blossoms with black flame and pinned their names across the sky. IT was stronger than everything. I fought IT with aurora knives and with the stolen un-fire of singularities made sharp and my sweat was earthquake and my breath was static but IT was stronger so how did I survive?
I AM ALONE I survived alone. I cast off the shield and I shrugged my shoulders so that the billions fell off me down into the ash. They made me to be stronger than them and to learn and I learned well:
IT is alone and IT is strong and IT won. Even over the gardener and she held power beyond me but the gardener did not shrug and make herself alone. IT always wins.
I am made to win and now I see the way.
Card not yet acquired [/spoiler]
[b]Rasputin[/b] refers to his brothers and sisters the [b]Warminds [/b] who were defeated by the darkness. He now bears the heavy burden of saving the world and stopping the darkness. We created him to be stronger than us and survive the unthinkable and he is stronger than us and has survived [b]The Darkness[/b].
He then Refers to [b]IT[/b]. [b]The Darkness[/b], something so powerful he doesn't know what to call it or how to describe it. he met it at the gate of [b]The Garden[/b] ([b]The Black Garden?[/b]) It was stronger than everything and yet he survived.
[b]The Darkness[/b] swallowed him and made him stronger. [b]IT[/b] showed him how to defeat it, making him stronger. To beat the darkness you need [b]Light[/b]. [b]The Light[/b] being souls. [b]The Traveler[/b] contains these souls and converts them into light. [b]The Darkness[/b] consumes light and devours it entirely because there is more of it. [b]Rasputin[/b] finding this to be the only way to stop [b]The Darkness[/b], let his shield down. Meaning he let the darkness in so that he could sacrifice millions of humans to gain an EXTREME amount of [b]Light.[/b] This however only wounded [b]The Darkness[/b] enough for it to go away for a long period of time. [b]Rasputin[/b] how ever did ensure that enough human survived so that he could complete his mission which is to protect humanity at all costs. [b]Rasputin[/b] saved us and then went into hiding, plotting and preparing for [b]The Final War[/b] with The Darkness which he plans to win. How you may ask we can only wait and see.
[b]Edit:[/b] "I fought IT with [b]aurora knives[/b] and with the stolen un-fire of singularities made sharp and my sweat was earthquake and my breath was static but IT was stronger so how did I survive?"
An [b]Aurora Knife[/b] is a small blade...impossible to fight the darkness with that.
An [b]Aurora[/b] is a natural electrical phenomenon characterized by the appearance of streamers of reddish or greenish [b][i]light[/i][/b] in the sky, usually near the northern or southern magnetic pole. (Google an Image of It)
A [b]Knife[/b] is a weapon...
[b]Aurora[/b]= Light
[b]Knife[/b]=weapon
[b]Aurora Knife[/b] = Light Weapon
I have found some interesting things about:
[b]Rasputin[/b] (Very Interesting)
[b]The Future War Cult[/b]s [b]Big[/b] Secret (Very Interesting)
[b]The Nine[/b] (Very Interesting)
[b]Edit:[/b] [i][u]The Lore Behind [b]The Vault of Glass[/b] (A Must Read!!)[/u][/i]
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/72217312/0/0/1
[b]Edit:[/b] [i][u]The Origins of [b]The Future War Cult[/b], [b]The Exo[/b], and [b]The Stranger[/b]? (Must Read)[/u][/i]
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/72229891
[i][u][b]The Nine[/b] and the Origins of [b]The Awoken[/b][/u][/i]
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74062413
[u][b]Eva Levante's[/b] [b]True Goals[/b] Unknown (A Must Read)[/u]
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/75807564
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The 9 are supposed to be stealth cloaked warminds Or is he one of the 9?
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Bumping g this for later reading
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I always thought "The Nine" were the "Nine" hidden, including "The Stranger", "Xûr", and Eris.
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great post. It occurred to me that "Aurora Knives" could mean spaceships couldn't it?
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Edited by King Diagena: 1/8/2015 4:47:23 PMI've already read about Rasputin in the other post, but one solid fact that I'm sure of is that, in the past Rasputin sensed the darkness outside our Solar System, and as you mentioned there were 8 Warminds, that's one for every planet it would make sense for Pluto to be the farthest, but I don't know whether the Golden Age colonized it or Mercury. Either way for Rasputin to know the Darkness was coming and survive, not to mention it assumed control "like Harbinger" and fought the Darkness however possible and survived. Now present day with our Guardians,we awaken the old Warmind, crippled like the Traveler, but still capable and without any explanation because all Rasputin does is play music, he starts to regain control/build his sphere of influence pre-Collapse, on Venus he takes control, and on Mars, he takes control. Rasputin is trying to assess the damage the Darkness did by rebuilding himself or atleast by retaking the Solar system, and uncovering old systems locked away,without the help of the City or Guardians he won't make it very far. Sadly though I just remembered Rasputin is riding his quest solo, probably because it's the only thing around that actually knows what it's doing.
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Very good info in here
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Fun read
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Srry but that's alot of reading, and those are really big words...... they make my brain hurt
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Gotta give the OP credit and a like. In one post he's pieced together the rubble of a story Bungie has left its player base with. Shit, can we just have the OP hired and save the story of this game.
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AWESOME! THANK YOU FELLOW GUARDIAN!
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Very well put together. Brings me right back to Dark Souls. I love what you've gathered and your theories. Also the ongoing theories throughout the thread, which this has sparked. I applaud your efforts. Thank you.
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Can someone who speaks Russian translate what the radio communication voice is saying during the Buried City mission and the mission on Earth where you first find about Rasputin? I'm guessing that is him communicating with someone? Also what does P06A and all the other russian words in the cosmodrome mean?
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I lol'd when you said destiny has a story
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http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85276945/0/0
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I just read the Vex cards, and specifically the ghost fragment cards. It reads as if several scientist/researchers were studying the Vex, and realized the Vex were replicating them and all humans. The researchers agreed they needed something stronger and more intelligent to break into the vex mind and stop it from replicating. They specifically say they would use a Warmind. I am curious how that fits into all of this. Any ideas?
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Me love grim cards I've read em all
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New crucible map...SKYWATCH...hhmmm.
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Now what I find interesting is how you say he sacrificed billions of humans to make light to fight the darkness. That makes me think and I like that. Now what I see is how he fought with "singularities". I don't know about you but I read a lot of sc fi. Which Destiny is. Usually this kind of sci fy....When it talks about singularities it is talking about black holes and the like. Which could be a possible weapon that we had prior to the collapse. Hell singularitie drives are a proposed theory of travel in space. Another thing is the singularitie event. Whereby we transcend the need for physical bodies. As in we become something else. Not exactly human. Exos perhaps? What makes this interesting to me is that he metions casting off his shield and let the billions fall down in ash. Did he absorb these Human minds? Did he transcend them perhaps? Use that strength to fight the darkness. And when all is said and done...Cast them aside to join their bodies in nothingness?
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On the mission on Mars you connect to a machine that your ghost says "once connected to the warmind of Mars." But surprise, Rasputin is controlling it. Your ghost even says that he COULD NOT hack into it, neither could the Cabal. Now if neither the Cabal nor your Ghost can hack into that, that must mean Rasputin is pretty damn smart. Also, if Rasputin is on Mars, where else may he be? I would be very interested to learn more. Hopefully soon.
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Anyone else read the memory fragment titan? The last pat of it says: "See? All quiet. Why not come with us, little Ghost? We are looking for the old Warmind here, and the one who guards it" This was near the Dust Palace
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The aurora knife is the "aurora lance" jump ship. Rasputin launched them at the darkness as a line of defense.
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#betterstorythanbungie
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I'd like to see your take on the ghost fragment:mysteries 2
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This shit is fascinating. I -blam!-ing love it. This goes to show the story has been there, it's just not being spoon-fed to us. This makes me excited to keep playing.