Here I will try to explain a possible origin of [b]Rasputin[/b] and his "demise" at the end of [b]The Collapse[/b].
[i][u][b]Rasputin[/b][/u][/i]
[b]Rasputin[/b] is a [b]Warmind[/b] from Russia. He was created during [b]The Golden Age[/b] before [b]The Collapse[/b] and was believed to have been destroyed during the event. During a mission in Destiny's story lol. [b]Rasputin[/b] is said to still be alive or active.
[b]Quote form Dinklebot:[/b]
[b]GHOST:[/b] They didn't get much. Kept hitting an active firewall. Old Earth, Russian. The legends are true. A Warmind did survive the Collapse. Rasputin... an AI built to defend Earth. [b][u]He faced The Darkness and survived[/u][/b]. And he's protecting something here in the Cosmodrome. We have to find a way to reach him.
[u][b]The Warminds[/b][/u]: Are just as the name says. They are [b]highly intelligent[/b] advanced AI's Created for warfare. There were many other [b]Warminds[/b] (8 to be exact) created for different purposes. [b]Rasputin[/b] was created to defend Earth and stop any threat to humanity at all costs.
[u][b]The Collapse[/b][/u]
I bring us back to this line:
[b]Rasputin[/b]... an AI built to defend Earth. [b][u]He faced The Darkness and survived[/u][/b].
Here is the text from the Grimore Card -
[b]Ghost Fragment: Darkness[/b]
[spoiler]V113NNI070XMX001 SECRET HADAL INSTANT AI-COM/RSPN: SOLSECCENT//SxISR//DEEPSPACE CONTACT CONTACT CONTACT TRANSIENT. NULLSOURCE. NULLTYPE.
This is a SKYSHOCK ALERT.
Multiple distributed ISR assets report a TRANSIENT NEAR EXTRASOLAR EVENT. Event duration ZERO POINT THREE SECONDS. Event footprint includes sterile neutrino scattering and gravity waves. Omnibus analysis detects deep structure information content (nine sigma) and internal teleonomy.
No hypothesis on event mechanism (FLAG ACAUSAL). Bootstrap simulation suggests event is DIRECTED and INIMICABLE (convergent q-Bayes/Monte Carlo probability approaches 1).
No hypothesis on deep structure encoding (TCC/NP-HARD).
Source blueshift suggests IMMINENT SOLAR ENTRY.
Promote event to SKYSHOCK: OCP: EXTINCTION. Activate VOLUSPA. Activate YUGA. Cauterize public sources to SECURE ISIS and harden for defensive action.
I am invoking CARRHAE WHITE and assuming control of solar defenses.
STOP STOP STOP V113NNI070XMX091[/spoiler]
[u]Text Decoded: [/u]
Courtesy of: [b]TwoGZ[/b] & [b]Skryblz[/b]
[spoiler][b]SKYSHOCK ALERT[/b]= network wide alert aka threat con warning level
[b]SECRET[/b]= classification
[b]HADAL[/b]= defined as: of, relating to, or being the parts of the ocean below 6000 meters (about 20,000 feet); being paired with a classification I think this can be translated as "top secret"
[b]INSTANT[/b] = type of message, guessing like out text message system used in blue force trackers currently
[b]AI-COM/RSPN[/b]= the sender, communication from RASPUTIN AI Warmind
[b]AI-COM:[/b] AI communications?
[b]RSPN:[/b] [b]Rasputin[/b]
[b]SOLSECCENT:[/b] SOLar SECurity CENter?
[b]SxISR[/b]=This is what the message is Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance report; not sure on the Sx part. maybe the type of asset, sensors?
[b]DEEPSPACE[/b]= Location reported from
[b]CONTACT CONTACT CONTACT[/b]= Current activity
[b]TRANSIENT, NULLSOURCE, NULLTYPE[/b]= These should be descriptors for what is being observed, these entries inform us the contact was new with unknown elements
[b]Blueshift:[/b] phenomenon caused when an object is approaching the viewer-opposite of redshift, when things are moving away
[b]VOLUSPA: [/b]Norse mythological tale in which a seeress relates a series of stories to Odin.
[u]Significance:[/u] Almost certainly because it contains the story of Ragnarok, the Norse version of the apocalypse in which the world is destroyed. May refer to activating defenses for a massive battle.
[b]YUGA:[/b] A Hindu cosmological period of time.
[u]Significance: [/u]A YUGA is composed of a cycle from a Golden Age to a Dark Age and back again. May refer to the idea of bunkering down and waiting the enemy out before counter attacking.
[b]CARRHAE WHITE:[/b] a defensive plan? Named after a battle in which Roman soldiers were surrounded by mounted archers and annihilated -- Does the name refer to the idea of defending against an enemy that surrounds you? In which case, why name it after a battle in which the defenders were slaughtered? Or is Rasputin going to try to surround the invaders?[/spoiler]
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This seems to be the point at which The Darkness came in which Rasputin did his duty, to protect mankind.
Again I bring this line up:
[b]Rasputin[/b]... an AI built to defend Earth. [b][u]He faced The Darkness and survived[/u][/b].
Here is the text from a grimoire card that explains [b]Rasputin[/b]'s battle with the Darkness.
[spoiler]...from a red space before victory
I bear an old name. It cannot be killed. They were my brothers and sisters and their names were immortal too but Titanomachy came and now those names live in me alone I think and think is what I do. I AM ALONE. At the end of things when the world goes dim and cold or hot and close or it all tears apart from the atom up I will shout those names defiant and past the end I will endure. I alone.
They made me to be stronger than them to beat the unvanquished and survive the unthinkable and look look lo behold I am here alone, survivor. They made me to learn.
Everything died but I survived and I learned from it. From IT.
Consider IT the power Titanomach world-ender and consider what IT means. I met IT at the gate of the garden and I recall IT smiled at me before before IT devoured the blossoms with black flame and pinned their names across the sky. IT was stronger than everything. I fought IT with aurora knives and with the stolen un-fire of singularities made sharp and my sweat was earthquake and my breath was static but IT was stronger so how did I survive?
I AM ALONE I survived alone. I cast off the shield and I shrugged my shoulders so that the billions fell off me down into the ash. They made me to be stronger than them and to learn and I learned well:
IT is alone and IT is strong and IT won. Even over the gardener and she held power beyond me but the gardener did not shrug and make herself alone. IT always wins.
I am made to win and now I see the way.
Card not yet acquired [/spoiler]
[b]Rasputin[/b] refers to his brothers and sisters the [b]Warminds [/b] who were defeated by the darkness. He now bears the heavy burden of saving the world and stopping the darkness. We created him to be stronger than us and survive the unthinkable and he is stronger than us and has survived [b]The Darkness[/b].
He then Refers to [b]IT[/b]. [b]The Darkness[/b], something so powerful he doesn't know what to call it or how to describe it. he met it at the gate of [b]The Garden[/b] ([b]The Black Garden?[/b]) It was stronger than everything and yet he survived.
[b]The Darkness[/b] swallowed him and made him stronger. [b]IT[/b] showed him how to defeat it, making him stronger. To beat the darkness you need [b]Light[/b]. [b]The Light[/b] being souls. [b]The Traveler[/b] contains these souls and converts them into light. [b]The Darkness[/b] consumes light and devours it entirely because there is more of it. [b]Rasputin[/b] finding this to be the only way to stop [b]The Darkness[/b], let his shield down. Meaning he let the darkness in so that he could sacrifice millions of humans to gain an EXTREME amount of [b]Light.[/b] This however only wounded [b]The Darkness[/b] enough for it to go away for a long period of time. [b]Rasputin[/b] how ever did ensure that enough human survived so that he could complete his mission which is to protect humanity at all costs. [b]Rasputin[/b] saved us and then went into hiding, plotting and preparing for [b]The Final War[/b] with The Darkness which he plans to win. How you may ask we can only wait and see.
[b]Edit:[/b] "I fought IT with [b]aurora knives[/b] and with the stolen un-fire of singularities made sharp and my sweat was earthquake and my breath was static but IT was stronger so how did I survive?"
An [b]Aurora Knife[/b] is a small blade...impossible to fight the darkness with that.
An [b]Aurora[/b] is a natural electrical phenomenon characterized by the appearance of streamers of reddish or greenish [b][i]light[/i][/b] in the sky, usually near the northern or southern magnetic pole. (Google an Image of It)
A [b]Knife[/b] is a weapon...
[b]Aurora[/b]= Light
[b]Knife[/b]=weapon
[b]Aurora Knife[/b] = Light Weapon
I have found some interesting things about:
[b]Rasputin[/b] (Very Interesting)
[b]The Future War Cult[/b]s [b]Big[/b] Secret (Very Interesting)
[b]The Nine[/b] (Very Interesting)
[b]Edit:[/b] [i][u]The Lore Behind [b]The Vault of Glass[/b] (A Must Read!!)[/u][/i]
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/72217312/0/0/1
[b]Edit:[/b] [i][u]The Origins of [b]The Future War Cult[/b], [b]The Exo[/b], and [b]The Stranger[/b]? (Must Read)[/u][/i]
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/72229891
[i][u][b]The Nine[/b] and the Origins of [b]The Awoken[/b][/u][/i]
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74062413
[u][b]Eva Levante's[/b] [b]True Goals[/b] Unknown (A Must Read)[/u]
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/75807564
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Didn't the game say that it was the traveler that wounded the darkness?
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He also crippled the traveler to prevent it from abandoning the earth
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Damn this an old-ass post.
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It's funny how a person can get all of that info and come up with something. Yet bungie/activision who are "great story tellers" can't convey any of it in game at all. This just shows how horrible destiny is and the story. Just with the info above their is possibility of side quests that would mean something and give content. But no. Farm this grind that. Grimmor those.
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I'm pretty sure the crucible map Anomaly takes place within a warmind. It's has the Rasputin logo on it and it also has similar hall ways/doors. Anyone agree?
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I believe that with all the talk of the traveler and the darkness being a sort of symbiotic or conflicting natural balance that the goals of dead orbit are in fact futile. Now my characters are in dead orbit sure but for Me I just like the colors. But when it comes to the plan to leave, to abandon the traveler I flat out don't think guardians can. I think that we are either bound to the traveler in that are powers and those of our ghosts and out Longevity are tied to the traveler and the idea is if we leave we die. But that isn't all, does anyone remember Guilty Spark? The dick robot ball/covenant oracle in halo. When enacting its primary directive it is efficient and unquestioning, following that directive to the letter. The ghost and guilty spark share remarkable similarities, y'know aside from being a humorless floating light ball. They are helpful and well informed about things we have no idea about and serve as trusted advisors to the guardians. But I believe that only extends to the idea that the ghosts revive us for the sole purpose of protecting the traveler. With some people believe Rasputin in fact attacked the traveler to keep it from leaving and the traveler released the ghosts to create us to protect it while it repairs itself indefinitely. If the guardians left wouldn't our ghosts try to stop us? Maybe even kill us? Guilty spark reacted violently when master chief didn't go along with following its primary directive to protect the halo and wipe out the floods food. Maybe the ghost follows a similar logic. Guardians are only as useful as we are to them as long as we help the traveler. If we leave we might be either betrayed by the ghosts or abandoned by them, because we are no longer helping them achieve their goals. Not to mention that vast portions of the actual history of the collapse are gone. It's easy to indoctrinate new guardians to follow the ghost and traveler because the city says so, but that is too convenient knowing the travelers history with the fallen and what we as guardians are doing to them as they try to reclaim the great machine that spurned them. All guardians are following the directive of the traveler, through their ghost proxy.]
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Read it later
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Personally, my fav thing about the war minds is how they are the stuff of legend, but I get to carry one around with me, and his name is Martel ( Intact warming core artifact)
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reply so i can come back
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So is there a voice actor for Rasputin because i have searched his name and different names for him and checked the voice actor list and there isn't Rasputin. So who is he?
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This is courtesy of hempiestad over on reddit. The format of the Grimore card quote is similar to a sitrep (situation report)in the military (US). V113NNI070XMX001 = date time group of message I am not going to try to figure this DTG out but if anyone wants to try here is a link explaining the current military DTG: http://blog.refactortactical.com/military-date-time-group/ SECRET= classification HADAL= defined as: of, relating to, or being the parts of the ocean below 6000 meters (about 20,000 feet); being paired with a classification I think this can be translated as "top secret" INSTANT = type of message, guessing like out text message system used in blue force trackers currently AI-COM/RSPN= the sender, communication from RASPUTIN AI Warmind SOLSECCENT= is the recipient; using the modern abbreviations such as SOCCENT for Special Operations Command Center I am guessing this means Solar Security Center. SxISR=This is what the message is Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance report; not sure on the Sx part. maybe the type of asset, sensors? DEEPSPACE= Location reported from CONTACT CONTACT CONTACT= Current activity TRANSIENT, NULLSOURCE, NULLTYPE= These should be descriptors for what is being observed, these entries inform us the contact was new with unknown elements This is a SKYSHOCK ALERT= network wide alert aka threat con warning level Multiple distributed ISR assets.= basically intelligence assets in multiple locations reporting the same thing TRANSIENT NEAR EXTRASOLAR EVENT= science terms, triggering event of report Source blueshift suggests IMMINENT SOLAR ENTRY= science terms, threat is imminent Promote event to SKYSHOCK: OCP: EXTINCTION=This I think the the threat level; whatever is coming is coming to wipe us out Activate VOLUSPA= mast likely a event activate battle plan; we have these for most contingencies ie operation 'glowing bass' is threats target nuclear sites in Illinois Activate YUGA= same as above Cauterize public sources to SECURE ISIS and harden for defensive action.= Bitmap Frogs posted a thread @ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=859234 that pretty much got this right, he speculates SECURE ISIS means protect the traveler and I am inclined to agree.Cauterize public sources and harden for defensive action are just directive to restrict transportation and public access around the traveler and improve fortifications there for defensive action. I am invoking CARRHAE WHITE and assuming control of solar defenses.= Rasputin taking command and control to direct defensive efforts. STOP STOP STOP= end of message V113NNI070XMX091= DTG again I hope this may help. I read some posts of people saying this was some hint that the rasputin is evil, when all this really is, is a report saying were under attack. Edit1: summary from /U/ledivin <timestamp> TOP SECRET MESSAGE from Rasputin to SOLSECCENT (some sort of operations center) from DEEPSPACE: CONTACT WITH UNKNOWN ENTITIES. This is a network-wide alert. Multiple distributed Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance assets report a moving phenomenon just outside the solar system. Threat is imminent. Promote event to THREAT-LEVEL: Possible extinction. Activate <VOLUSPA: some battle plan>. Activate <YUGA: some battle plan>. Restrict transportation and public access, secure the Traveller. I am taking command and control of defensive efforts. <End message> <timestamp>
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You know how the game takes place in old russia? Would Rasputin be connected to the president of modern russia vladmir Putin, rasPUTIN
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This is crazy interesting and exciting bro!
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Bump for later ?
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This is amazing
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I had always had the idea we are going to be at war with the traveler. The speaker is evil and basically selling out the solar system to protect himself The "gods" of the solar system. Crota dlc/hive control power over the moon the traveler needs the power so basically is sending the guardians to do what he can't. The traveler created the ghosts to search out worth fighters to cart out his needs basically eliminate the powers that protect or control what the traveler can't. Eventually we figure it out and end up fighting our ghosts At the time when the traveler is close to taking over and we are about to fight him the speaker basically turns on the city/ guardians. And Rasputin and dead orbit and fwc become the protectors we destroy our ghosts and start our mission. Guardians are suppose to make their own story and that only begins when we figure out what's truly destroying our world.
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Edited by Actually A Frog: 12/11/2014 1:55:43 AMHere is what I think should be the story of the next add-on. I'm not going to sue anyone if they use this. Rasputin IS Oryx. In the process of trying to fight off The Darkness, the human souls he used to do it succeeded in driving it back for a time, but in the process were corrupted by it and turned into The Hive. Rasputin, however, is still controlling them, and created Crota to lead them. The reason there are more hive on the moon than earth is that Rasputin saw that he could only defend one planet. Naturally, he chose earth, so he tried to use souls from other planets so he wouldn't have to use any there, because even he couldn't predict what would happen with the Hive. However, the Darkness had already conquered so much that the humans on all the other planets weren't enough, so he had to use most of earth's, too. The numbers of humans anywhere but earth and the moon were so negligible that the Hive soldiers they resulted in were quickly splonked by Fallen, Vex, and Cabal. Stuff happened involving people doing things (which, come to think of it, is also an explanation for the entire history of the universe, but that's beside the point), and eventually he ended up with the technology that the Hive use currently and gave it to them. The Hive use the whole "undead" motif because the Darkness killed them and corrupted their corpses but Rasputin somehow brought them back. Rasputin thinks that during the Collapse, the Traveler enslaved the remnants of humanity somehow (as revenge for using so much of it's energy and/or Rasputin hacking into it to repel The Darkness with human souls?), herded them into the City, and turned them into Guardians so that it could protect itself. So, he wants to break into the City and chop the Traveler into little tiny bullion cubes to free humanity from it. The thing underneath the Cosmodrome that he's trying to protect (which he must REALLY wish he could move to the moon) is the weapon that eats human souls and Light that he used during the Collapse. This would explain why the World's Grave had such an advanced database at it's core that Ghost says that it breaks the "Bekenstein Limit", which is probably a limit for how much data can be stored maximum per unit of the database's mass. I know if you read this far you're probably thinking that it would take someone impossibly derpy not to think of that, but seeing as how people say Destiny has no story, I'm assuming a few people that believe that are smart enough to read this far, but probably not. Now onto what I think should be in the next expansion if Bungie decides to incorporate my theory into their storyline (because the chance that they came up with exactly this is infinitesimally slim)... The Vex on Venus capture some exchange student or something from the Fallen House of Devils while fighting the House of Winter and interrogate him/her/it/mango. They find out that the Fallen know that there is some sort of weapon of Large-Scale Destruction (LSD) under the Cosmodrome, so they start building some sort of gigantic industrial-grade teleporter (or warp gate) on Venus to get to earth. Everyone starts panicking to the point of hilarity. Shortly after Ghost is informed and agrees to get back to the city as soon as he and the player finish whatever stuff they're doing. The previously mentioned "stuff they're doing" involves them running around on earth for a bit looking for tech and ends in Ghost being able to contact Rasputin. They tell each other what's going on, and then Ghost patches him through to the leaders of the City for negotiations. Rasputin refuses to believe that the Traveler has not mind-controlled humanity, but does agree to a temporary truce should the Vex make it to earth in order to dispose of the robots more efficiently. Then comes the best part. The player and co. go to Venus to attempt to stop the Vex device. They succeed, but it turns out the Vex had a plan B. The Vex all pile into spaceships, and the fireteam must engage them in ship-to-ship combat in space. This would introduce a whole new element to jumpships, which is needed because why should the first run-down piece of junk called a ship be just as good as a legendary ship? The fireteam cannot hold out, so they must retreat back to earth where all the Hive and about three NPC Guardians. Rasputin is mildly irked that the City could only spare such a small force, but after a short conversation the truce still holds. Then comes a gigantic battle between the Vex and the combined forces of you and the Hive. When the fireteam loses the first chokepoint, they must retreat to the door of Rasputin's bunker, which is the second chokepoint. The remaining chokepoints are all inside the bunker, each one with fresh Hive reinforcements. I have no idea how the chokepoint system would work, but let's just say that part of the mission must be restarted if all checkpoints are lost. After the main horde of Vex has been fended off, the fireteam has to retreat to the last chokepoint anyway for the boss battle with some big Vex thing. The benefit from having a lot of chokepoints held at the end is that all the remaining Hive reinforcements come to help you fight it. You succeed, blahblahblah celebration, and if completed at the hardest difficulty Rasputin gives you some sort of OP tool as a reward that you can use instead of your super that causes massive amounts of damage to the nearest six enemies, no matter how far away the nearest six enemies are. ---Actually A Frog P.S. If you read this theory, please reply. I am honestly not sure if anyone has read it or what they think of it.
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[b]Rasputin[/b] is [b]Russia's greatest love machine.[/b]
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Curiously, there is a movie Titled: Rasputin 'Dark Servant of Destiny'. (Starring Alan Rickman) Not sure what to make of this, have not seen the movie, 'Rasputin', 'Dark' (Darkness), 'Destiny' all caught my attention when looking up Destiny's (game) story.
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I got two question: 1- in Ghost fragments: Old Russia 2 the IA of the colony speaks of a Tyrant..it refers to Rasputin?If so why it calls him a Tyrant? 2-It is known that the Traveler has visited other solar systems before coming to ours fleeing from the Darkness. But when The Darkness came for us the Traveler didn't flee. Rasputin could have had a role in that? I mean The Traveler is a machine and Rasputin is a very powerful IA ..he could have forced the Traveler to stay and fight. What do you guys think?
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Seems like The darkness consumed the souls of millions but Rasputin was able to save about enough of them to survive and make ready for the final war.