Doesnt anyone still use the term it's just a game? It seems like there is more hate on these forums then positive feedback and I personally enjoy the game for what it is even if it was expected to be more and was gutted, and i'm decently seasoned with mmo's (Vanilla/BC WoW vet) but yet i dont see why people are complaining so much, and I know the people that are complaining must be mmo players I cant see them being hardcore fps fans cause all they really need is balanced PvP and they are happy. Some say the PvP is unbalanced I dont really think so i dont know if kids are just terrible but its not hard to do well on average, other then the vex mythoclast which will eventually get a nerf, for PvP atleast.. As for PvE , there's enough to satisfy me as it is for it being the vanilla (Semi Vanilla) destiny. People who bitch are just crybabies imo. If you dont like the mmo grind doing dailys and forming groups using teamwork then go play hello kitty adventure's..Im sorry for my rant but why? Why do so many people hop on the hate destiny bandwagon yet still play it? What other game on console is as developed in so many different aspects? I likely wont get much support on this post but people need to just simmer down , and just play it, or dont play it. It's a matter of choice, you see.