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4/23/2014 5:42:57 AM
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New Jersey school district sued over plede of allegiance.
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-sues-nj-school-district-over-pledge-of-allegiance]here[/url]
What do you think?
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Looks like these kiddies don't like the taste of the white Northern European culture this nation was founded on
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I agree, its wrong to bring religion into schools and politics, let them make their own minds up
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1 ReplySMH Liberal scum should be stripped of their US citizenship and thrown out of the country.
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I'm atheist and I say this everyday when school starts and I don't bitch about it.
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3 Replieslol liberals have nothing better to do. ONE NATION UNDER GOD!
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30 RepliesEdited by MoReCoWbELLx2x1: 4/23/2014 4:01:49 PM>People not knowing that the part "Under God" has no religious affiliation and has been said multiple times >Still complaining People have nothing better to do [spoiler]Inb4butbutwhatdoesitmeanthen Inb4itdoeshaveaffiliation[/spoiler] [spoiler]Why did we even have to say it everyday?[/spoiler]
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8 RepliesEdited by Gaara444: 4/23/2014 4:47:00 PM[quote]A family is suing a New Jersey school district, contending that the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance is discriminatory toward atheist children. [/quote] I am so sick of hearing these people bitch about NOTHING. There are two problems with their bullshit. A. You are under no circumstances forced to do the pledge. If your teacher/school forces your child you can always take it up one step further but the problem should be resolved before it even reaches the Advisory Board. And the most important part where their entire argument falls apart: B. The phrase "Under God" was not added to the pledge as a religious addition. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_.22under_God.22]It was added in honor of President Lincoln from his Gettysburg Address.[/url] Educate yourselves before you start crying about things you don't understand. Or are you going to say that anything Religious in American History is against your freedom from religion? Because that's a whole new section of bullshit I can go on all day about. Stay mad, I'm not even a Christian. I'm not too worried though, the courts have struck down their idiocy time and again for not paying attention to the facts, I'm sure this time it wont be much different. It's a shame though that no one tries to educate them on the facts so more and more people continue to bitch about nothing and keep making false statements like: [quote]Second of all, due to the separation of church and state and the 1st ammendment, God shouldn't be in the pledge of Allegiance. [/quote]
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8 RepliesWell, it does need to be changed.
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I've never recited the pledge. I find the whole thing odd.
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3 RepliesIs there a point in the pledge? I mean isn't the idea of a pledge moot when you're taught to recite it every day since 1st grade (or whenever it's started in America). The purpose of any pledge is to make the choice to pledge yourself to something. And is there also any point in doing it so often, in a place of education?
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Edited by Icy Wind: 4/23/2014 5:05:02 PMFigure people can use history as to why "Under God" was added in the first place. [url=http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm]USHistory.Org[/url] [quote]The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country. In its original form it read: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."[/quote] From Wikipedia: [quote]The introduction of "under God" in the 1950s was done during the Cold War, as a way to differentiate the U.S. from the concept of communist state atheism.[26][27] [/quote] [url=http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-man-who-wrote-the-pledge-of-allegiance-93907224/?page=2]Smithsonian Magazine (You know, the giant Museum of History facts?[/url] [quote]A decade later, following a lobbying campaign by the Knights of Columbus—a Catholic fraternal organization—and others, Congress approved the addition of the words "under God" within the phrase "one nation indivisible." On June 14, 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower signed the bill into law.[/quote] It was brought up and pushed for my the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic organization, to differentiate from the Communist (USSR)'s anthem. Keep saying "Hurrr SCOTUS said otherwise!" because they didn't. They never made a decision on the case because of a legal technicality. You can say it's constitutional and that it's perfectly legal, but people said the same thing about Segregation and DOMA.
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2 RepliesDo Americans clap after reciting the pledge every day?
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1 ReplyGet rid of the "under god" propaganda bullshit
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First of all the pledge of allegience shouldn't be a thing. Second of all, due to the separation of church and state and the 1st ammendment, God shouldn't be in the pledge of Allegiance.
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They still do the pledge in school? I thought they stopped years ago.
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I have a fix >don't make the pledge mandatory >keep it the same pledge
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Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 4/23/2014 4:27:44 PMIt's never mandatory to recite the pledge, all references to god are optional in federal oaths and pledges, and the precedence of these cases means the family will lose. That being said, it's an artifact from anti-communism sentiments, so whether its still appropriate is questionable.
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Can we dump the whole pledge?
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Congress should get it's damn act together before I say the Pledge with pride again.
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1 ReplyJust take out the one freaking line and say the Pledge on the first day of school. It's not that difficult.
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5 RepliesI hate to be [i]that[/i] guy, but I don't think the Pledge of Allegiance should be taught/recited in school until the children are old enough to fully comprehend exactly what it means. Not only is it almost like brainwashing getting children to chant about pledging themselves to their government, but it also loses its meaning when it's recited over and over again with little to no explanation behind the concepts it encompasses.
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1 ReplyYou are not being forced to recite the Pledge. Everybody has the option to not say it or recite it in their own way i.e refraining from saying "Under God". Telling people to NOT say something is against the 1st Amendment
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3 RepliesThe "under God" bit should have been dumped a long time ago. It's just a piece of leftover propaganda inserted into our lives to apparently demonize the Socialists and Communists during the Cold War. Our Founding Fathers didn't want religion intertwined with out political system. We shouldn't have it now. It persists now because of government's tendency to make every temporary change a permanent one.
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I think its long past time that it should be taken out. For anyone who says it's been in, and tradition mandates that it stay, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_.22under_God.22]It was added in 1948 by Louis A. Bowman, who was caught up in the Red Scare[/url]. The idea was that atheism was a communist concept, so adding god everywhere discouraged communism. Now, the war against communism has been won, and its been proven a thousand times over that the addition of god to everything had absolutely nothing to do with it, maybe we can move past a stupid period in our history and get rid of the statement? Its not just offensive to atheists. Hindus, who worship a pantheon, also are in this, as well as Jehovah's Witnesses who despise any mixing of government and god because it sullies the idea of god as king. Atheists are the only ones willing to hire attorneys on this, but there are others.
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Well yeah, the first amendment exists y'know
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It must be so hard to omit two words. I have multiple Atheist friends who, when asked to say it, skipped that line and *gasp* didn't whine about it.
