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Edited by TrussingDoor: 1/1/2014 11:20:31 PM
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Viltre's Ultimatum, A Criticism on this Community

[quote]Well, the day has come. I said that come the New Year that I was going to delete my work, however, I'm not going to. See, my intent with the ultimatum thread wasn't to become popular, it wasn't to get appreciated, because to be quite honest, I couldn't gave a damn about what anybody in this community thinks about me anymore. Anyone of the few people that I became friends with here can tell you that I've grown to hate the majority of the community here now. I’ll leave it all up, though honestly hardly anyone here deserves it, but I highly doubt that anyone else in this community will be able or willing to keep the themes or archives going, this community running most people willing to do so off has pretty much made sure of it. So a site update breaking it all or portions of this site’s history being forgotten will be a far bigger slap in the face rather than me taking it all down. The truth is, I was expecting the kind of reaction that I got for [url=https://www.bungie.net/7_An-ultimatum-I39m-going-to-delete-the-dark-usersty/en/Forum/Post?id=62738792#referred-]this thread.[/url] You know why I was expecting this reaction? Because I know this community, for those that don’t know, I’m majoring in social behavior and I’ve been on here long enough to know what makes this community tick. [url=https://www.bungie.net/7_Why-would-anyone-ever-use-Google-and-its-services/en/Forum/Post?id=3621085#referred-]Hell, this isn’t even my first time doing something that pisses off this whole community.[/url] I attacked the very ideals of this community with the ultimatum thread. I attacked the concepts this community glorifies, the gimmick posters and the anti-intellectualism that runs rampant here. My usage for the account White, it was mainly a way to test this community. I used the account to also attack such concepts as a way to test the waters, see reactions. I was expecting mainly hate from the ultimatum thread, because I knew that the thread would hit you where it hurts, on the community as a whole’s attitude. I do have to say I am surprised about how the thread caused a chain reaction of other threads though, wasn’t sure if I would have gotten this as big as I got my Google troll thread. It was fun to watch all those threads pop up in reaction much like I got in the Septagon from doing the Google thread around the time when there was a site issue with the Chrome browser. So, I guess you could call a troll thread if you want. Seeing as how it incited a negative reaction it can be called that, but I don't consider it as such. I consider it an eye opener, something that needs to be said and shown about this community. It wasn’t my intent to just piss off this community just for the sake of pissing them off. I did this to see how this community would react under the circumstance of acknowledging those that try to give here or doing without. The community has an entitled thought process, one even worse than I portrayed in the thread. Because this much is true, this community has and probably will always take the road of caring for shitposters and treating contributing members as nobodies. Even those that become well known for their contributions I feel bad for, [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=62751155&path=1]for example, Iggy.[/url] I do feel bad that he gets nothing but flack for coup, a free service he has provided for many years to this community, when it isn't up. Kind of saddening seeing so many hate on people who try to give to the community, acting like they are entitled to people doing for them. Really, if I were Iggy, I would have stop working on coup a long time ago seeing as how unappreciative you all are towards him. I did this to show the community's true face, how truly terrible this community is. This community has an unappreciative and demanding line of thought. I can’t say I was surprised about the negative responses I got; however, I was surprised by many of the people who posted in my thread. Several of the members I actually considered decent members showed their true colors by acting like they were entitled to my work and I had no right to delete it. The fact of the matter is, rather than taking a moment to think about this community's thought processes and see where I was coming from, you would rather jump down my throat and attack me. How dare I try to take something away I put my own time into, am I right? Since the posting of the ultimatum thread, I had several members attack me, [url=https://www.bungie.net/7_An-ultimatum-I39m-not-done-Shitposting/en/Forum/Post?id=62741036#referred-]parody threads attacking me,[/url] people [url=https://www.bungie.net/7_I39m-a-Pirate/en/Forum/Post?id=62743984#referred-]whose first incentive[/url] was to [url=https://www.bungie.net/7_The-Archive-of-Hilarity-re-archived-edition/en/Forum/Post?id=62742437]take my work[/url] and try [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=62739437&path=1]to make it[/url] to where it couldn't be deleted rather than trying to talk it over with me, people pming me trying to make me out to be a terrible person, and I even had Rose mute bomb my thread. Honestly, the amount of hatred that I got from people was simply astounding, really shows how great this community is, don’t it? Really, take a look at the amount of hate and malicious behavior from some of the people in my thread; is that the behavior of a good community? To the few that didn't attack me or tried to steal my work and rather tried to talk with me, I respect you. I am glad that there are still those who aren't completely terrible members here, though I cannot fathom why you would want to stay here. While a good amount of my thread was to prove a point, there was still a great deal of truth I posted in there, especially in one of my few replies in there. I do honestly suffer from auditory hallucinations at times and this does complicate things in my life at times. With this thread been posted, I've now made up my mind. I am leaving this place. The idea has been on my mind for several months now. This little test has proven to me that I no longer want to be here. I have grown to hate this community these last few months and now the feeling is mutual, making things all the more easier for me. The people here that I truly did like I will miss as well as the people who showed me that they were decent; but the rest of this community, if you even want to call it that is atrocious, complete total trash. This community is nasty, hateful, unappreciative, and stupid. Almost all of the members here are shit, stupid people who are enticed by the behaviors of other more vocal idiots. Most of the “trolls” here, if you can even call them that, are also blatantly obvious, not exactly sure how you all here almost always take the bait hook, line, and sinker. It really is saddening because this community has the potential to be good but does not want to put the effort into doing so. The fact of the matter is, I don't see this community ever getting better now. Bungie made a huge mistake when updating the site and that mistake was trying to give any power to idiots. Thanks to the idiocy of this community, the people who paint the largest target on themselves are loved even if they are the most unproductive members here. This anti-intellectualism is the reason why this community has continually gotten worse. The newer members see the gimmick posters be the ones that get the attention and thus will imitate it. It’s a cycle of repeating stupidity; I still cannot understand why this site finds gimmick posters, spammers, and crappy trolls so alluring though. It doesn’t help that almost no one in this borderline anarchic system doesn’t report or mute. The only people that I really even see use the report and mute feature in offtopic is Rose and that’s to globally mute people, almost everyone else is too foolish with that "only wimps mute" mindset thus allowing crap to plague up this site. I will miss this place on some degree. A couple of the people that I met here I consider some of my best friends I've ever gotten to know, but I cannot even enjoy the company of those people anymore due to the terribleness of this site's members. I am giving this post to a friend of mine to post when New Year’s day arrives, I will be gone from this community by the time this thread hits the mains, so don't expect any replies from me. I have said all that I wish to say in this post of mine. Here is hoping the New Year and the arrival of Destiny will bring forth better members then the scum on this site currently. [/quote] These are the words of Viltre. Take them as you will.
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    • Edited by Bolt: 1/2/2014 12:16:29 AM
      [quote]The truth is, I was expecting the kind of reaction that I got for this thread. You know why I was expecting this reaction? Because I know this community, for those that don’t know, I’m majoring in social behavior and I’ve been on here long enough to know what makes this community tick.[/quote]

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    • thank you viltre, for all your hard work for the community. it's always sad to see a member go, especially one who's created such amazing things for this community. i enjoyed and used your work many times over the years. i am also now going to thank you for your broad, sweeping generalizations and extreme over idealism in this post. thank you for using the traditional cop out of "i was always performing a social test." thank you for your insults. goodbye viltre. [spoiler]i understand i was the subject to a lot of your hatred because you thought of me as nothing more than a troll/gimmick sh1tposter. i'm sorry i never got a chance to try and prove you wrong.[/spoiler]

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      • I don't use Coup, but who will maintain the history of the B.net forums now ?

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      • I honestly think he would get more recognition if he just silently took it off (theme and archives). Now he became a hypocrite by doing the exact thing he was complaining about, and hardly anyone gives a damn. I remember him vaguely as "White", but to be honest he's about as recognisable as I am, which I'm happy to accept is not at all. If you expect no recognition or notoriety or whatever, than you get pleasantly surprised. Welcome to the internet forums, and goodbye. Where everyone is as unique as everyone else and nobody cares except you (generic) alone.

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      • 2preachy4me, which is sad considering that's coming from me. I respect the work Viltre put into his script, and who he was before the whole ordeal. But as much as I agree that a [i]portion[/i] of the community needs to lighten up a bit, I don't agree with manipulating them into a reaction you wanted to try to prove a point. It's pretty much common knowledge at this point that some people here are just not fun to be around, and that's a normal thing anywhere. The difference is, it's a bit worse at the moment. Some people were a bit rude about it, and everyone was surprised at what he posted. I'd be surprised if we all sympathized with him when he posted what he did, because it was just immature behavior. You can't expect to get a good reaction from that, it doesn't justify anything really. I initially - and still - do kind of feel bad about how everything went down. But at the same time, he's being a bit ridiculous about the whole thing. It's one thing to just leave, it's another to set up a scenario to try to teach the community a lesson before you do. The only way anyone's going to learn anything around here is if they learn it for themselves. Very rarely can you persuade people to the point where they change their overall demeanor. I've done a couple things here for the sake of the community, and commonly put money into it. As much as I don't like some people's behavior, I would keep doing it if I had the time. There's enough reasonable people here to make this place worth-while, the amount of members here who try to ruin everything are few in comparison, it's just that they're idolized so much that they seem a lot bigger than they actually are; I try not to concern myself with that though, because again, it's not something I can change by trying to force-feed people my ideology. In the end he can do whatever he wants to make himself happy, it's not a big deal either way. I just don't understand why he needs to feel like he has to justify everything he does, I had forgotten about the whole thing by now to be honest. I can understand his frustration, but this message from him is ironically on par with the people he's complaining about.

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        • Edited by Decimator Omega: 1/2/2014 3:29:39 PM
          An attack. A....-blam!-ing..... Attack. Goodbye Bungie. Good luck selling Destiny because I sure won't be buying it if the community I'll be playing with is going to treat me like this. 5 years of my life completely wasted. Never again.

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          • Edited by ToastyWaffles: 1/2/2014 5:03:55 PM
            Viltre's post is undermined by his own self-righteousness. He condemns much of our community as being negative and rude, but in the same breath calls it "atrocious, complete total trash". Please remove the plank from your own eye first. Let me just say this. The reason "sh*tposters" get so much attention is because they make posts. Rather a lot of them, in fact. But do you know who else is recognised? Everyone else who contributes lots discussion to this forum. I can make a list of users I know that contribute discussion, but Viltre isn't one of them. I've hardly ever seen him or his alt post ever, if at all. It doesn't take a major in social behavior to figure out why he isn't well known. That said, I'll respect his contribution to the community, despite the fact I've never used the dark theme, and hardly ever used the archive of hilarity. But lots of people do use those things, so I'm grateful for his contribution. And I do regret the behavior of [b]some[/b] of our community members. But our mistakes alone do not define us.

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          • Honestly, I can't be the only one who never saw a word out of Viltre except for his script thread and the ultimatum troll, right?

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            • You couldn't just link his post? :|

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            • I feel like this absolute horse shit and he is trying to save face.

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            • Who is Viltre?

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            • Yes...I "stole" his work by crediting his name for every link. And try to talk it out with him? [i]We don't negotiate with terrorists.[/i]

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            • I don't know who you are nor do I care. That said it's 2am and I had nothing better to do than read this. Your sad excuse to garner attention is by far the most unnecessary time sink I've seen thus far on Bungie.net and believe me in almost 7 years of posting and 10 years of reading these forums that is saying something. To demand gratification over quality of life options? To type up an essay repeatedly stating what's been known [i]for years[/i]? 'Lesser' members (by your standards) have made more of an impact silently drifting away. I suggest you follow in their footsteps.

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            • Edited by Lord Commissar: 1/2/2014 10:07:34 AM
              I'd like a link to the actual post where he said all of this. The whole post reeks of damage control though, seems he's still butthurt about his little stunt backfiring [spoiler]This is all provided that the OP is true of course.[/spoiler]

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            • That's the most whingiest shit I've read this year

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            • So was anyone actually angry at Viltre's thread? I thought the general consensus was just everyone was just dumbfounded and started insulting him on his retarded ultimatum, I don't really get where he is coming from

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            • Thish wash quite a whimshical sheriesh of eventsh. [quote] Destiny will bring forth better members then the scum on this site currently.[/quote] If thish happensh, I'll eat my hat.

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              Hue I don't mean to say I told you so, but I told you people he was trolling. He still doesn't realize that he's a pretentious fu­ck though, which makes it all the more fun to read his threads.

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              • Viltre was one of the better members here. I'm sad to see him go, and I'm definitely sad for all the assholes hating on him.

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              • Edited by Banned Gatsby: 1/2/2014 1:23:15 AM
                To truly show you don't care you would just walk away and not even comment at all.

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              • MAXIMUM DAMAGE CONTROL

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              • Edited by Siffera: 1/2/2014 12:11:45 AM
                What a baby.

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              • So, um, can someone point me towards the intellectual threads that Viltre's posted? Because I really wouldn't equate the low-brow humor here with [i]anti[/i]-intellectualism (just a lack of it). When people here try to discuss more mature topics (philosophy or science), it usually goes over relatively well. Hell, when the thread creators have made efforts to make the discussions accessible (ie not burying the discussion in jargon) they've become some of the most popular threads on the forum during their time. I don't know Viltre, you always seem to come up with an excuse that doesn't put the blame on you. You said your breakdown thread was the result of hearing voices, now you're saying it's because "you were just testing us[b][u]tm[/b][/u]." I guess all I can say is that I won't miss you, and you should probably look somewhere other than anonymous message boards for fulfillment of your ego.

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                • How do you take them OP?

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                • I like how OP hasn't responded to a single comment here.

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