[quote] And they [i]are[/i] Bungie. Have faith.[/quote] That really doesn't mean anything to me anymore. Halo CE - Great game, made me buy Halo 2 Halo 2 - Great game - made me buy Halo 3 Halo 3 - Great game - made me buy Halo 3: ODST Halo 3: ODST - meh. Why? Filler. Halo Reach beta - Darn near kept me from buying Reach. I gave it the benefit of the doubt that it was just a beta and that they would 'fix' what I felt was 'Not Halo' about the game. They didn't. Halo Reach - I seriously felt this game was a giant step backwards compared to the first 3. So much was different in ways I could never grow to appreciate, making it by far my most disliked game, ever. It lead me to believe that they threw it together just to get out from under the M$ contract. So in my eyes there is a rebuilding that needs to take place of sorts. I know far more people who were in on the early editions that also feel as I do about Reach. The newer segment of players who came to B.net for Reach will disagree, but if they weren't around before, they have no idea hos awesome the others were in their day. There is a higher standard of their own making that has not yet been eclipsed or close to being yet met, imo.