Well to be honest i don't think, even with a Christian family, that I ever really did. According to my teachers from the catholic school i went to i was poking holes in faith since I was in the 3rd grade. But to put it simply and eloquently. [quote] [quote] That which can be asserted with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence. [/quote] [/quote] Once i got older the Appeal to authority, Appeal to emotion, begging the question, and other fallacies in religion became far to obvious to ignore. Not to mention that the only way a theist can defeat an atheist is to assert that they are Gnostic in their disbelief which most arn't and the only way for them to argue against science is to attempt and straw man it. I have seen it for years and i continue to see it in debates to this day.