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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
8/13/2013 4:20:41 PM
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[quote][i]"If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss bank."[/i]
- Woody Allen [/quote]
Or some other actual evidence.
One of my main problems with creator religions is that science has shown us that the world really didn't need a creator, thus making those religions obsolete.
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Like A Forum Cop and Capitons Wang, I likewise fail to see how science as such shows that the universe doesn't need a creator. However, rational inquiry (more specifically, metaphysics) fulfills this purpose satisfactorily.
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Lawrence Krauss, A Universe from Nothing. What I meant is that we have come up with possible ways on how the universe could have emerged without any supernatural stuff involved.
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Edited by A Forum Cop: 8/13/2013 7:11:40 PM[quote] One of my main problems with creator religions is that science has shown us that the world really didn't need a creator, thus making those religions obsolete.[/quote]please explain?
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Edited by Saphir Eagle: 8/14/2013 2:40:14 PMLawrence Krauss, A Universe from Nothing. What I meant is that we have come up with possible ways on how the universe could have emerged without any supernatural stuff involved.
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Key words: [quote]could have [/quote]
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Yes, key words indeed. But if we look at the long line of could bees in our history, I'd say it's gonna get accepted (as most probable explanation) in the scientific community sooner or later. Just think of these: The lighting could be electricity, not Odin, We could have evolved instead of being created. The Earth could be billions of years old instead of 4000, the vase could have been broken by the cat, not the ghosts.
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... I know lighting is electricity, I know the earth is billions of years old, what's your point?
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My point is that people didn't always know this. Then science started stating what ifs and slowly the supernatural and other wrong explanations are being replased with scientific ones. This is one of those cases. We have super natural explanations and science is starting to figure out how it really could have happened.
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The thing is, many scientists agree it is impossible to determine the cause of the big bang and what happened before it.
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Perhaps, perhaps not. But either way, 100 years ago many scientists agreed that going to the moon would be impossible. Computer seemed like a fairy tale and cloning people was not possible. Science evolves.
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Personally i dont see how science has proven that specifically, since they are still heavy in the theory stage for events before the 'BB' and how it came to be. There really isnt any hard scientific evidence to support your claim.
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Edited by Saphir Eagle: 8/14/2013 2:34:33 PMI don't think that you really have got the hang of how to use the word theory.. But anyway, scientists have proposed credible hypotheses on how the universe could have emerged from nothing and as science has been pealing off the religigous explanations for the last three centuries, I don't see how this one should be any different.
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For evolution, theory is more fact than fiction, for the big bang, its the same, but the period prior to the BB event, is pretty much unknown and tons of theories abound, im sure figuring out the BB in depth will help to resolve that issue.
