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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
8/12/2013 4:43:56 PM
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Nothing less than 100% proof the Christian God exists.
And it's funny reading all of these internet-tough guy responses that even if God was proven to exist they still wouldn't worship him. Would it be the "right" thing to do seeing as God tends to be a humongous wang? No, but if it was proven not worshipping him would land you an eternity in the kind of torment you literally cannot comprehend, and worshipping him would land you an eternity of happiness, you would have to actually be fundamentally retarded to not worship him. As incomprehensibly stupid as the incomprehensible pain you'd be feeling in hell.
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[quote]And it's funny reading all of these internet-tough guy responses that even if God was proven to exist they still wouldn't worship him.[/quote]People with different ethical theories = internet-tough-guys. Is it that hard to not be a pretentious caricature-maker?
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According to christians, you have to legitimately love Jesus to get into heaven. I couldn't do that knowing that he sends anyone to hell.
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Quick fact, hell doesn't exist. If it did, it's personal actions that send you there, God or Jesus or whoever wouldn't decide that.
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Of course it doesn't. But from a Christian's point of view, God is the one that makes the rules that people have to follow, and the only way to get onto heaven is to truly love jesus and truly be sorry for your sins. Even if the only sin you ever commit is not believing in jesus, you go to hell. Even if christianity was right, i couldn't be a christian.
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Edited by Forever Berg: 8/13/2013 12:13:02 AMWell I'm Catholic, but I don't believe in hell because I think it was misinterpreted in the Bible from the translation from Greek to other languages then to modern versions. In the modern New Testament it mentions angels who have sinned are waiting in "hell" while in very old copies of the Bible hell was never referred to as hell and was more used as a description to either Hades or jail. Angels who need judgement wouldn't be in hell so it wouldn't make much sense anyway. Basically how I believe and was taught is that hell doesn't exist (if Satan was bad, why would he torture bad people?) but instead we have a time of judgement and reflection of our lives to look at our lives and find resolution to them. If you didn't live as a person of good will and of love and following of the ways of Jesus, then you must wait to enter the kingdom and reflect long and hard to find resolution on your actions so that you are ready to enter. That means you could be gay and do gay things but be a good person and find ease at bringing peace to your soul because you lived a good life. If you were in Africa where Christianity isn't found, as long as you lived a good life and followed the way of Jesus (not selfish, helped others, gave efforts and some of yourself to benefit others positively) then you could find peace and resolution and enter. It really doesn't matter as long as you were a good contributor to society, humanity, and the world..
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Edited by RC5908: 8/13/2013 1:13:14 AMThat's how all christians should think. Also, to clarify, you believe that even an atheist could go to heaven as long as a good life is lived?
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Yes, I believe anyone who lives a proper life in which they do good acts for themselves and others then they have equal opportunity to heaven. Even the new pope, Pope Francis, recently said: [quote]The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart, do good and do not do evil. All of us. 'But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.' Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ, all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!" We must meet one another doing good. 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there.[/quote]
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Again, why can't all Christians think like you?
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Edited by Forever Berg: 8/13/2013 7:23:45 PMMany are sadly traditionalists or bigots, my parents included. My high school was a Jesuit private high school in which Jesuit priests taught some of the classes and they inspired many of my beliefs. The pope is also the first Jesuit pope. Jesuits are considered to be more liberal Catholics, but I believe they are the most correct in their religious views.
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Choice=/=Sent
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That makes no sense.
