[quote]I really don't think that's true[/quote] That's where you should've stopped. Just admit that we humans don't actually know what the hell happens to our consciousness when we die. When we can prove it slips into a void, I'll believe it, but for now we can't, and I truly believe we will never be able to. So we can make up whatever hypothesis we want cause it really doesn't matter. But since we seem to have a decent discussion here I'll continue: There are also many things that don't end in the same state that started. We start off as a sperm and an egg and die as a rotting incapable old man/woman. Energy will eventually die out (heat death). But then again for now there is a water cycle, we orbit the Sun, as long as the Sun exists that is lol. Death is going to be the only thing we will ever be uncertain about. We will never know when it will happen, what happens to our consciousness, the feeling, if it will feel good or bad, and all the things we will miss out on because of it. It's why we fear it so damn much and most of wouldn't wish it to happen to the people we love, but will enact it to the people we hate the most. >you didn't experience anything before you were born Maybe cause we can't remember it? If somebody flashes a laser across your eyes and you lose all memory from your past and you wake up on a beach, you wouldn't freak out. You'd experience being born again, minus the crying and coming out of a vagina part. Did you not exist before the Men In Black indecent? To you? Not at all. It's like the old question:[quote]If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it still make a sound?[/quote] We really can't prove it made a sound can we? No we couldn't. For all we know it could have fell so softly that it didn't make an audible sound. Or came crashing down and a booming crash. Same with our consciousness.

[quote]That's where you should've stopped. Just admit that we humans don't actually know what the hell happens to our consciousness when we die. When we can prove it slips into a void, I'll believe it, but for now we can't, and I truly believe we will never be able to. So we can make up whatever hypothesis we want cause it really doesn't matter. But since we seem to have a decent discussion here I'll continue:[/quote] There was never any indication that I was arguing a certainty here, you're fully aware of that. Just because it is an inherently unknowable concept because it is beyond the reach of comprehension doesn't mean it isn't possible for individuals to come together and make informed predictions about it. [quote]There are also many things that don't end in the same state that started. We start off as a sperm and an egg and die as a rotting incapable old man/woman. Energy will eventually die out (heat death). But then again for now there is a water cycle, we orbit the Sun, as long as the Sun exists that is lol. Death is going to be the only thing we will ever be uncertain about. We will never know when it will happen, what happens to our consciousness, the feeling, if it will feel good or bad, and all the things we will miss out on because of it. It's why we fear it so damn much and most of wouldn't wish it to happen to the people we love, but will enact it to the people we hate the most.[/quote] What was the point of this entire paragraph? [quote]Maybe cause we can't remember it? If somebody flashes a laser across your eyes and you lose all memory from your past and you wake up on a beach, you wouldn't freak out. You'd experience being born again, minus the crying and coming out of a vagina part. Did you not exist before the Men In Black indecent?[/quote] Except there is no reason to argue that my lack of remembrance is due to some past existential state being wiped from my memory. You make the far fewest assumptions and use the most coherent logic by surmising that your ability to comprehend was simply a nonexistent construct that had to come together. [quote]We really can't prove it made a sound can we? No we couldn't. For all we know it could have fell so softly that it didn't make an audible sound. Or came crashing down and a booming crash. Same with our consciousness.[/quote] Again, [quote]There was never any indication that I was arguing a certainty here, you're fully aware of that.[/quote]

[quote]There was never any indication that I was arguing a certainty here, you're fully aware of that. Just because it is an inherently unknowable concept because it is beyond the reach of comprehension doesn't mean it isn't possible for individuals to come together and make informed predictions about it. [/quote] Yeah but to say your prediction is more correct than somebody elses is useless. They're all as probable as the next one. [quote]What was the point of this entire paragraph? [/quote] it was tangent that I spent too much time typing and didn't want to erase lol [quote]Except there is no reason to argue that my lack of remembrance is due to some past existential state being wiped from my memory. You make the far fewest assumptions and use the most coherent logic by surmising that your ability to comprehend was simply a nonexistent construct that had to come together. [/quote] Yeah but your assumptions would be totally wrong if proven otherwise correct? And I'm glad there was never any indication that you were arguing a certainty there.