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originally posted in: Are science and religion compatible?
8/8/2013 1:30:36 AM
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No. When a Scientific theory is proven true by evidence it is fact. When a scientific theory is proven false by evidence it is discarded or reviewed. When a religious belief is proven false (read: Galileo!) words like 'heretic' get thrown around. When a religious belief is proven true; well damn, I'd love this water to be wine. But only after I walk on it. [b]Its called EVIDENCE people![/b] (And I don't need to be religious to wish peace and love to all. And I do.) Fin
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    [quote]When a Scientific theory is proven true by evidence it is fact.[/quote] That alone shows you have no idea how theories work.

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  • Lol I was abbreviating my answer so I didn't write a whole chapter on the subject. I was attempting to underline that in science, when a theory can be reproduced and verified by other parties it can be reliably counted as a truth. On the other hand, (only [b]one[/b] example) the theory some religions have of 'prayer' and god/gods hearing and acting on it [u]can not be proven either way[/u]. This applies to the OP question as a supporting argument. However, if you have a different opinion/theory/hypothesis I would be happy to hear it. Note: I'm of the opinion that if you can't understand me, I haven't explained myself properly. I would appreciate if your non-comprehension manifests in the form of a question, not taking a tiny portion of my post and making a rash and general assumption. Assumptions are a sign of sloppy logic.

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    That whole post was not necessary. My reply wasn't a product of misunderstanding, it was just that your statement was blatantly false and I pointed it out. There's no need to go on a tangent.

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  • [quote]your statement was [u]blatantly false[/u] and I pointed it out.[/quote] Care to correct me? I'm all for learning. What's your idea of a scientific theory?

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    I don't have a subjective idea of a scientific theory. Just the definition. "A well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation."

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  • For the average layman, scientific theories might as well be truth.

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  • I would suggest that there are no 'average laymen' humans all operate using the scientific method. It's how babies learn to walk: observing the world around us (observation), thinking how to replicate or expand on it (theories), then proving by doing (evidence). Poor example I know, but I could have used cavemen with fire, farmers with the seasons, or a biologist in a lab. The scientific method is the [b]only true[/b] human invention. Some just chose/are able to study it further in specifics, and call themselves scientists.

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    I guess you could argue as long as a theory is applicable, it might as well be truth, but that would undermine the field.

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