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2/14/2013 9:12:36 PM
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New Theory based off the added phrase to the instructions page yesterday:
[quote]Think not of locations, but the spacings between, as seen from each target. While one hemisphere provides a strong center, the other must heed the call in order to bring light to the unknown[/quote]
Imagine for a second that each person adds a dot to a real world map back on Bungie's servers - not the dotted image on the right side of each day's puzzle. Now imagine that each pair of dots on the hidden map give a magnitude. Two people in the center of the US would have a small magnitude (Line A - B). But if someone logged in from Australia (C)there would now be 3 magnitudes {A-B, A-C, B - C}. One small magnitude from A-B, and two very large magnitudes A-C and B-C. This could populate the dotted visible image with 3 dots. One dot near the center and two dots near the edge of the image (given some rotation possibly based on time of day).
Now imagine you have a cluster of people within the US. All you need is 1 person to log on from Australia and then you instantly get a cluster of points near the outer region of the image because you automatically gain the magnitudes from that one person to the entire cluster of people within the US.
So like the instructions say it's not about the location. It's about the spaces between the location that allow us to see different areas. The hemisphere part is only slightly relevant just because you can't get any further apart from another single person than half the world. So it may not just be we need people in the southern hemisphere. Another possible method for getting rotation would be that you actually use the direction from person 1 to person 2 and use that vector to populate a dot. (You automatically get the positive and negative vector which makes since since the FFT is mirrored that way anyways)
I don't know if this changes anything but I would be interested in setting up some experiments on the earlier day's puzzles to test out this theory if someone is interested.
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interesting theory. i was thinking last night that this is more complex than it appears
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i live in Holland, tell me what to do at what time within an hour.(cause i cant be on for much longer)
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Follow this thread ^. It is our best hope regardless of the actual population algorithm.
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I was thinking this way as well. My only addition would be that it's possible that they would be actual vectors, so the distance and position will affect the final image. (northern and southern hemispheres affect vertical alignment and eastern and western hemispheres affect horizontal alignment) The appearance of rotation might just be a result of certain sections of the world waking up and participating at each interval.
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Right - I kind of added that idea of positions being actual vectors as an after thought in the post but the more I think about it the more I think that it's probably the case. For example if someone logged in from Texas and then New York. You would get 2 dots one at about 2 o'clock position and one at the 8 o'clock position.
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its not a globe. if you take the geo mask image, then cut it in half anywhere along the image to get two equal halves, and rotate [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/15497886@N06/8472690003/in/photostream/]one half 180*[/url] it looks exactly the same as the other half, this mirrios the way the numbers are placed, even the QR code. so its more of a dome that gets duplicated. it also rotates, thanks to all the gifs that have been made we can see that, so timing of log ons is crutial. also on wednesday we noticed the new hint/instruction, and it appeared that the northern hemisphere lit up the centre, while we needed the southern hemisphere to light up the outside, timing of when they logged on was again important though to get different numbers. that was U resolution limited, today (thursday) was V resolution limited, and it may have meant east vs west. another idea is that there are better results if, two unique users are on to pair up from each of these u or v axes. not sure about that though, it may just require population, but it appears that resolution improves when users of greater distance from each other are on at the same time. now we need to determine which segments corrospond to what time slot, is it by 5 min intervals or by the hour we arent sure yet, but this will help us coordinate when to make mob floods to target specific numbers/areas that we need better resolution in. hope this info help make this easier tomorrow.
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I didn't say it was a globe. I said you get two dots for every pair of people. One dot representing the vector from person A to person B and the other dot representing the exact opposite from person B to person A - which would cover the 180 degree note you had. And while it may look as though it's rotating, that only happened on the first day and maybe a little bit the second day - and not all the pieces rotated. I'm not saying the rotation isn't possible, just saying it isn't likely because the past couple of day's we've had constant activity in the corners but it never quite moved to the top of the circle - which is why we were stuck. Finally, i'm saying it requires exact coordination, possibly from different hemispheres. But The different hemispheres is just an extreme example to get the point across. I think if we're able to get a single person to sign on today from South America (preferably the western portion of the continent) during a time of great activity in eastern/central US they would mirror a big portion of the data at the top and bottom of the image. A similar effect would happen if we could get someone from very far north Canada during a time of great activity in the southern US. Regardless I am using Sunburned Goose's automation thread to keep my activity going all day.
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what is likely happening with the top and bottom is we are missing certain log ins and in addition it looks more like they have intentionaly obscured the numbers there forcing us to brute force them as a way to make it a bit more difficult. those are two of the ideas we are running with in the #alphalupi irc? this is all theory anyway until, if ever, bungie explains it to us...
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I do agree that everything is just speculation. No way to know anything for sure with such a large active random grouping. But if you look at the shapes that form on the edges. They all appear to be about equal. And they roughly mirror the shape from the middle. So I do feel like the dots represent the distance to and from every single pair of people active at a given time. I do see the rotation appearing too and so I do believe it's possible that instead of an exact direction from those people there is some rotation with time - but it can't be fully the case otherwise you would get a circle near the middle and only two other circles that rotate the center. Regardless we just need to keep everyone active as long as possible as often as possible, but I think we should be trying to get at least small numbers of people from areas far away from the US to activate nodes every once in a while to move the mass of dots around somehow.
