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3rd Darkness Subclass Speculation

Gravity

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SIVA

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Nightmare

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Taken

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The debate on what the final Darkness subclass will be has gone on since the introduction of the concept. But in order to understand what it will be, it must be determined what constitutes a Darkness subclass. By analyzing the big picture, it is evident that [b]gravity is the most likely option because of its alignment with Darkness-related concepts, representation of physical forces, and its dissimilarity to Void.[/b] [i]The gravity elemental subclass will be addressed as "Form" for the purposes of this explanation, but time will tell what its true name is.[/i] [b]Background[/b] Solar is nuclear energy and thermal energy. It is the manifestation of [b]entropy[/b] through increasing kinetic and nuclear energy. Stasis is the absence of thermal and kinetic energy. But it isn't ice, it is forced negentropy-induced crystals, perfect nuclear [b]order[/b]. Arc is the manifestation of high-energy particles. Accelerated electrons and movement, strengthened nuclear forces. This energy creates [b]entropy[/b] through the scattering and energizing of particles. Decay/Corruption is the most likely counterpart to Arc, as Decay is induced by atomic instability and weakened electrical bonds. The process of nuclear decay is a simplification of atoms, releasing radiation and altering the physical makeup of the substance. An expulsion of chaos to create internal [b]order[/b] Thus we can deduce the following: [b]Light is the creation of energy, complexity and chaos through the addition of energy. Darkness is the derivation of order through simplification and siphoning of energy.[/b] With this knowledge of the philosophies of Light and Dark, it is possible to make an informed prediction on what Void's darkness counterpart is. [b]Exploring Void[/b] Void energy is the most ambiguous of the Light elements. There are many explanations throughout the lore, some of which contradict each other, but there is assurance that Void at least involves gravity, dark energy, and plasma. With the given information, the safest definition of Void is that of an "energy" subclass. [b]It is the manifestation of entropy through the very presence of energy in a system.[/b] It is possible that the element is called "Void" not because it literally is a void, but because even in a void, this basic energy still exists in the form of dark energy and virtual particles, both of which are responsible for large-scale reverse gravity phenomena. This information is sufficient to prove what the next Darkness subclass will be. [b]The Case for Form as a Subclass[/b] Form is the most likely element to be the third Darkness subclass for the following reasons: [b]1.[/b] It represents a fundamental force, gravity [b]2.[/b] It is a foil of a Light subclass. Void is energy, Form is matter. Void is reverse gravity, Form is gravity-gravity. [b]3.[/b] It conforms to Darkness ideologies. Form is the force of spatial order, the "[moving] of worlds" (Savathun, Altar of Reflection), and it acts through physically assimilating objects into the same position (i.e. a black hole) [b]Alternate Propositions[/b] The above reasons support Form as the third darkness subclass, but it is also the most likely option because the other propositions do not make sense. [b]SIVA:[/b] There are many reasons why SIVA does not make sense as the third darkness subclass such as the fact that it has no paracausal alignment, it doesn't directly mirror any Light subclasses, it doesn't represent a force, and doesn't make sense from a gameplay perspective. [b]Nightmare:[/b] While Nightmares exist as a gameplay mechanic in Destiny 2, they do not fit the requirements listed above for a third subclass. A Nightmare subclass would also need to be some kind of necromancy abilities to make sense gameplay-wise, but Nightmares don't have enough potential for variety to split these abilities among the classes. [b]Taken:[/b] This is the most likely of all of the alternate suggestions, but it doesn't hold its ground because it doesn't directly represent a fundamental force. It does, however, have a paracausal alignment, and the argument can be made that it is the counterpart to Void. But in the end, Taken abilities still implicate Form, as Taken abilities currently existing in-game have a heavy reliance on stomps, pushes, and other physical impulses reminiscent of a gravity-based element. Form may ultimately be an intersection of Taken powers and gravity-related ones, but Taken by itself isn't a compelling element. [b]Conclusion[/b] Form (Gravity) is the most likely option for a third darkness subclass because i[b]t is the opposite of Void, it is the last fundamental force to be represented, it is consistent to Darkness ideologies, and most other options are unlikely[/b]. Congratulations for making it this far, reader. Let me know what you think about this theory and perhaps also alternate names for said element. Edit: I didn't properly clarify this, but this speculation is coming from a place of assuming the 2nd Darkness subclass will be Vapour (decay/soulfire/poison/corruption). And when I say gravity, of course I know Void already exists, but I'm talking about a more matter-oriented gravity subclass. As in physical objects that generate gravity, since Darkness subclasses lean more towards the physical side. Think of Devastator from Outriders as an example of what a Gravity Titan would look like.

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  • They've already showed us its psychic (aka deepsight) Originally they had planned on the new darkness sub dropping in WQ but decided to update the light sub class instead, this way they don't have another stasis incident were it's significantly more OP than it's light ability counterparts. Also all the seasons so far have focused on psychic warfare.

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    • Wow, my favorite darkness related thing. SIVA.

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      • I’m hoping for a taken subclass. The aesthetic is too cool to not have it

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        • How high were you when this started coming together? Powerful edibles here boys. Seriously though pretty cool concept, i think you’re far more clever than some of the folks at Bungie 🤓

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          • Obviously a Siva subclass, yeah we get fused with Siva like the Devil Splicers... [spoiler]This is a joke, I don't actually care, maybe we get Hive Soulfire? [/spoiler]

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          • Ichor blood of gods A gold liquid like element. [spoiler]shutup[/spoiler]

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            • How about smoke?

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              • Gravity is interesting but isn’t Void gravity already?

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                • How's SIVA in second place?!?! This post was literally created in part to kill the SIVA subclass fanbase.

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                  • Also stasis crystals aren’t actually “perfect” they have evolving almost-quantum-computer-like lattices that change without external input.

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                    • Sounds like a good idea. Especially if it could include an ability that would attract tracking stuff. Or certain void arrows.

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                    • Time Manipulation ala Vex.

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                      • If you go by the implication that the elements that the light wields are natural fundamental forces that are simply bent to our will (as is implied by the “switch to light subclass button”) then stasis and any other darkness elements are not natural to the universe, but are instead imposed by the darkness. If they were true fundamentals, there would be no reason the light couldn’t also wield stasis itself, but instead we need the darkness to wield it. Also for those who say solar is opposite to stasis, one of the lore books says that stasis also halts the electromagnetic interaction in particles, which is an aspect of arc. This is more just to say that I think the darkness elements are not strictly meant to be opposites to each of the light elements.

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                        • 3rd? You mean second right.... We only have stasis.

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                          • Gravity? 😂....Swing and a Miss. The Most Logical of a 3rd(2d) Dark Subclass(we haven't even gotten 2 yet, so don't know where 3 is coming from....."World War 5"-Peter Griffin) Would be a Fundamental Universal Force that is Weak Nuclear Force, meaning a Power that Removes. Gravity doesn't Remove Energy as Gravity is a Biproduct of the Adding of Energy. So, swing and a Miss. Decay breaks down. Weak Nuclear Force. Corruption breaks down, weakens. Weak Nuclear Force. Soulfire....I've heard of the Idea, but never found a Reason it could be dark based. Stasis is the Removal of Energy/ Entropy. Weak Nuclear Force. It takes massive amounts of Energy to cause a Gravity pull. So the Fundamental Universal Force of Void is, Gravitational Force. Literally word for Word. Void took gravity's Spot mate. Plus, Void sounds better then Gravity. Taken, Hard Pass. SIVA, people really need to stop🤦. Think more out of the Box. What Universal Force can cause Weak Nuclear Force/ Entropy? Stasis ✔️ ...........⭕ ...........⭕ I actually think we might not get an Additional 2 as Stasis could just be it. Which I wouldn't mind.

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                            • I used to want siva as a subclass but lately I’m really loving the nightmare effects. That black and red particles just look so menacing its awesome

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                            • I honestly think its probably going to be poison or some form of toxin/ infection, I could be wrong ... but then the new exotic grande launcher and SMG (both with that swarm/ toxic effect) wouldn't really make sense to me.. almost all weapons that have been put out that have some form of effect have matched all our subclasses... therefore my guess the 5th subclass will be poison/toxic/ swarm... but honestly they need to just concentrate on the classes we have now.. before committing to another one and then having even more on their hands.

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                              • It's Nightmare/Spirit subclass because it opens the door to summoner/pet subclasses. Void is gravity, space, and time. We already have that.

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                                • It's going to be a poison-type subclass and it's going to be called [b]Vapor[/b]

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                                    • The other 2 will be blight(witherhoard) & poision(thorn/osteo)

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                                      • We haven’t even got a second. I’m scared

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                                        • 3rd what happened to the second

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                                          • Edited by Temp: 6/10/2022 6:27:32 AM
                                            I’d say a life draining subclass is more likely But I love your idea

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                                            • I want it to be taken just for the opportunity to "take" an enemy and turn it into my pal for a bit, like an arc soul that i can high five.

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                                              • Void already claimed gravity. Also Solar was explained in the lore. It’s the energy of change. Stasis it’s the opposite. So the opposite to gravity, a force that pulls things together, would be a repelling force. Disintegration. Arc is about energy and life. It’s opposite would be a draining anti-life. What some were calling Poison. I wouldn’t get too deep into the science of it all.

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