I'm running a minimum of 3 battlegrounds to create one of these things (2 if I'm lucky with the rune), which is around 20mins with a solid group. In what universe is 20mins for an extremely subpar roll of any armor worth it compared to just running 3x dungeon CPs, DSC, or even the GMNF? I think umbrals need to be revisited before you throw them into our face again. The last time umbrals existed, they were amazing for farming rolls and getting gear with a reasonable effort. You've simply made it a boring slog of laggy, teleporting enemies and (if not heavyweight) bullet sponge bosses that can one-stomp you depending on the singe. Community, please do your thing and get Bungie to hear us on loot issues. We did it for Trials and GMNFs getting adept weapons/mods, let's fix the rest. Maybe we'll get old umbrals back in 2 years!