No. They aren't. Because....as a Zen practitioner for over 20 years...I have directly experienced what it is both quotes are speaking of....and I am aware of WHY that of which they refer to cannot be communicated in words. The aspect of Reality to which they point can only be truly understood by those who HAVE experienced it directly. Like I did for the first time at the age of 28. You are misusing a statement that is in reference to something VERY specific....and trying to blow it up to a generality for which it was NEVER intended. You can try it.....but I'm here at the gates to not allow you to get away with it. Because allowing you to so that would diminish what is actually being referred to. ...and you are still trying to move the goalposts. I can explain in very granular detail why Bungie is "not fine". Nothing I can say---There is not a word of Zen that I can say---that can get you to care if you don't already. [quote]On what calendar date will all this bad stuff happen? When you answer this, THEN I’ll listen, otherwise you’re just guessing.[/quote] No True Scotsman ....or the Appeal to Purity...fallacy. Just because I can't give you a specific DATE as to when the Heat Death of the Universe will occur, is not "proof" that the astrophysics and quantum mechanics behind it are wrong. Just because I can't give you the precise date when Betelgeuse (a dying star in the shoulder of the Orion constellation) will go supernova, doesn't mean that the science pointing to the fact that it will...are wrong.