Paid them 130 million or gave back 130 million from the 500 million Activision initially invested for their deal? I’m not sure any company who ended with their yearly sales down 60% and has only retained around 700k-800k of their initial 15 million wallets would be considered “doing just fine”. Since CoO Destiny 2 has gained less than 300k wallets back into the fold. I’m sure for the short haul “they’re doing just fine” but it’s their long game that’s going to suffer because of their lack of common sense.

Dec 28th 2018 13.7 million tracked. Today 14.1 million tracked. That's growth. I was unaware that Bungie sold any games this year. I'd say their sales are down more than you suggest but then again they haven't sold anything. Activision is being sued because they lied about the profit generated by Bungie to the investors. Seriously you don't have to play the game everyday just because you own it. Look at the other popular games on Steam, compare the players that played to the players that play everyday, the percentage is very similar. Look at D1 year 3, 1 million daily players right? There were 30 million tracked. It's the same percentage. I figured you weren't done so I did a little research on the top five steam games regarding player retention. DOTA 2 100 million players all time, 1.2 million played yesterday. PUBG 400 million players all time, 3.2 million was there peak daily count, yesterday was less than a million. CSGO 20 million all time, 850000 yesterday. Rainbow Six 35 million, 137 thousand yesterday. Warframe 20 million all time, 82000 yesterday. Are those games in trouble? I read another article that said most top selling games lose 90 percent of there players in 14 days. The bulk of the money for the rest of this year's content in Destiny has already been made.  The season pass sales aren't going to increase much.  The dedicated players paid for more premium stuff to do, they will be the ones playing.  The season pass was designed for.

Not sure what DOTa is. PUBG is all pvp. CSGO as in counter strike? Is there a story mode or is it still all pvp like the old PC CS games I played over 15 years ago? Rainbow 6. Is there story mode or is it pvp. I see a lot of people talk about it but it’s all pvp in their discussions. Warframe, lol. That game is trash and F2P. They make money off people who don’t want to farm and cosmetics. Surprised you didn’t put Fortnite up on there, would it not help with the narrative you were going for with the games you put up there? Pretty sure it ranks above all the listed games. No apex? And here I thought you’d grab all the pvp games and put them in your list. If you’re going to compare games you should compare similar games not just what’s on a list. Destiny 2 and PUBG are video games and there are guns, people, vehicles, landscapes and pixels, that’s about all they could be compared as. By all accounts you should be comparing pvp stats to pvp games but that won’t paint this narrative you’re trying to make as Destiny 2’s pvp numbers would be well, better than Warframes total at least, lol. There currently less than 850k players actively engaged in the game at any given time. If all of them bought “the premium” stuff for the next Bungie release you would barely clear 100 million dollars on opening day. That’s taking into account that every current active player bought the digital deluxe editions, which would include the base game and the first initial DLCs. You already have players who are unhappy with the AP and have expressed their desire to not invest anymore further until Bungie gets their act together. So what happens when the AP drops another less than stellar bit of content? Do you think anyone other than the hardcore devout will invest? Do you actually think more will flock to the game? Bungie will either eat crow and make the changes for the wallets they’re not reaching or they will have a come to Jesus moment along with their devout hardcores once both groups realize that the paltry amount of wallets available will not be enough to cover the bills. So, will it be a subpar game delivered next or will be a average game that no one will buy because Bungie pissed on a majority of their wallets for over 2 years? Dunno but I know my wallet won’t be opening for them. I’ll watch from the sidelines.

Those were the most popular game on Steam when grabbed them. There are no similar games on the top to compare Destiny number to. I did compare it to D1 but of course you ignored that. What game would you compare it with? Is there a lot of sci-fi fps games with open world co-op out there? There's nothing out there like Destiny as a whole. I guess you'ld like to compare it to brand new games, Anthem? Division 2? Neither of those are anything like Destiny except yiu shoot things and there is loot. There is absolutely no way to yell how many people bought the season pass.

Yeah, Y3 of a D1, a state of the game that we were told wouldn’t be updated any more and all focus would be on their next title unless something game breaking occurred. Of course numbers were dropped, which were still higher than active daily players in 2 BTW. I’m glad you have faith in Bungie but game companies don’t pay their employee or bills on faith or hopes and dreams. So do me a favor, save your stats and bring them back up after the AP has run its course and Bungie is trying to sell their next content drop that isn’t associated with the AP or better yet, just hold your stats till the end of the year.

D1 yr 3, the "best" Destiny according to these forums popular opinion. It had a million daily players most of the year. At the end they dropped far more than that. Ar the end of the year? You know there's a PvE focused update just around the quarter right? They also hinted at another expansion. You do me a favor and let me know when they plan on shutting down the servers. This franchise will eventually run its course but I don't think that'll be any time soon.

Y3 Destiny was the [b]best version[/b] of Destiny that Bungie delivered in 3 years. That’s the popular opinion and it’s not wrong. Unlike the hardcores who’d run everything on repeat hundred and thousands of times who was really gonna stick around that had not finished all they wanted to finish? I mean I loved the game but by the end I wasn’t logging in very much and I was a “filthy casual” who only invested a little over 2k hrs. There’s a pvE focused content drop scheduled, that’s true. That’s already been paid for with the AP, as you stated, I’m speaking of the content that comes after the AP has run its course. They can hint at all the expansions they want consumers aren’t as hung up on possibilities as the devout fans are, more consumers now are more concerned with what’s delivered, not hyped up especially after the many missteps these last two years. So save the hype. Consumers want facts and truth not hopes and dreams. I won’t be able to tell you when the servers go down. Between the two of us you’re the one still logging in and playing. You’d be in a better position to know when that occurs. I’d have to wait and find out when the internet tells me Bungie and their Destiny universe died from piss poor decisions made by people who ran out of common sense in early 2017.

It's funny you think you can speak for all consumers. You know how many people quit but played every expansion in D1? Forsaken saw millions of players in D2. Loot/shooters need a grind. They are all built on a grind. Division 2 takes 25 hours just to get to the endgame loop, there is 5 tiers of that loop. The Raid required tier 5. The only way to hit max gear score in Anthem is ledgendary gear. You can play 6 or more hours without seeing one drop, there are 11 gear slots. WoW has the same type of grind as Destiny, there's more of it but it's still very simlar. Over a million people pay 15 bucks a month for that grind. Maybe you got involved in the wrong genre of game. Did you ever consider you made the mistake?

Lol, I have less than 20 hrs in Anthem and I have 9 masterwork items and 2 legendary on my Ranger. That’s not counting what has dropped for the javelins I don’t play. Which was 2 more legendaries. RNG ain’t a problem in Anthem. Did I say I spoke for all consumers? No, I didn’t but I’d say 14.1 million+ consumers have already spoken. I don’t need to speak for them. After the last AP content drop I imagine there might be more consumers that speak as well. Did I say I don’t like a grind? Did I even say anything about grinding? I enjoyed the Destiny grind for over 2k hrs. That was a RNG that rewarded you for time played. 2’s is not. Forsaken saw millions of players in D2. Then why are there less 800k or less actively playing during the week? They only came for Forsaken and didn’t like it and left? People pay $15 a month to play a game. Cool. Good for them. I wouldn’t pay anyone a monthly fee to play a video game and I haven’t seen a game made since I started in ‘88 that I would pay a monthly fee to play. But good for them. I didn’t make a mistake, well, I guess I believed a developer that I had just invested 2k+ hrs in their digital work would be able to replicate that with the foundation they built for themselves so I willingly bought 2 digital deluxe copies. Lol, was I ever wrong. That’s probably the only mistake I made. Had I waited till Forsaken dropped when things were marginally better and bought the game I probably wouldn’t be as salty. I probably still wouldn’t be playing but at least I wouldn’t have been as salty about it.

Go visit Anthem's Reddit and see if the community thinks RNG isn't a problem. A masterworked javalen in 20 hours....that's hardcore. All your javalens should be masterworked out by niw, they give masterworks away like candy. The grind is the gear build, the 250 percent damage buffed ledgendary items, the 200 percent gear charges, the perfect rolls on 11 pieces of gear. Destiny grind is no where near that level.

Lol. No, I’d rather not go to another video games page online. In 30 years of gaming I became invested enough to visit the internet for video game information in 2014. I’ll never make that mistake again. Destiny was the first and last mistake for that. I’m trying to climb out of the rabbit hole, not fall into another. I only play the Ranger, I don’t really like the other Javelins. I’d like the colossus of it wasn’t so slow. I dismantle everything the drops for the other suits. Dang, so I’m like one of the Destiny elitists but in Anthem where, “it’s good for me I don’t see a problem with it.” Cool. So this is what it feels like. My legendaries on the ranger are only 100% buffs. I don’t really know the extent of the loot pool just what I see come across the screen. And honestly, I bought Anthem for the flying. No lies. Flying is the best part, lol.

The flying is pretty great. The Rangers good after the last update. The loot can role with 250 percent buffs. Wait till you get a lmg with 250 weapon and 200 physical damage on it. 13000 plus critical damage with at least 50 rounds. I'm hoping for a 250 weapon damage, 200 physicsl, with a 200 mag role. That's the grind. Gear score truly doesn't matter in Anthem, grand master 3 isn't worth it reward or time wise. Even with my maxed out javalens it's still a slog and ledgendary isn't guaranteed. I only visit Reddit for the dev updates but it's littered with as many complaints as these forums. I think every forum is. That's why you shouldn't listen to us forum users. Anthem missed it's projected sales. It's 1/6 where EA wanted. Division 2 sold 1/5 as many copies as Division 1. This genre is for a specific crowd, Destiny has targeted that type of player. Most players that left after Forsaken where used to the easy loot/shooter. You keep pointing out the big number loss, most of those numbers where lost on the first part of year 1 when D2 had zero grind.

Vanilla 2 had 0 to grind for. I know a lot of hardcore player types complained about how everyone was reaching max light but I didn’t feel like max level was what I played Destiny for. I mean yeah, back then as a solo I had to be max everything if I wanted to join a raid team gg LFG but for me the game was the random rolls. Maybe that number up in the corner is important to some but It was the random god rolls that dropped and the exotics. Vanilla 2 had 0 of that. It had double primaries. It had weak guardians. It had pathetic mods(still does I’m told). Crap exotics. And everything neutered for the sake of the pvp centered design that Bungie created because they thought everyone wanted that e-sport dream. Hell, their damn raid gear didn’t even have perks and the Gauntlet was not color blind friendly. Wiped a team a few times because I wasn’t able to see those flashing rings even with the minimal color blind settings Bungie has available turned on when I first ran it. I don’t remember how often I played but it wasn’t much. I know the game hit pretty pathetic numbers around CoO. Someone said it was like 500k total on all 3 platforms. I didn’t spend my money on Forsaken but I bought it after it had come out when a clan member had told me that it was better than when I had stopped playing and it was till I just couldn’t tolerate that pathetic RNG system that gave me 80% class item drops for damn near 3 months. Rng started pushing me away from the game. The fixation on cores and no fixes to many other things were what pushed me away completely in Feb. I tried to like the game, I really did. Hell I made like 8 characters trying to enjoy the game. I just couldn’t go on fighting the system anymore. I just couldn’t bring myself to think things would be better the next log in anymore. So now I’m standing on the side watching and hoping the game can return to some semblance of what I loved but after nearly 3k or more hrs in the Destiny universe I just have to hang up my Tea Napkins.