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I have been contacted by my Internet service provider after I got DoSed yesterday, how long will cheater problem be swept under the rug by Bungie?

We have been DoSed numerous times in the Crucible, I used to record and report every DoS but I have stopped doing that when I saw that no bans were ever issued even months after numerous reports with video proofs. Same with rapid-fire glitch macros cheaters (like [redacted]), [redacted] was banned by hand after popular Destiny YouTuber released two videos about him. If [redacted] was banned then we know that what he was doing is considered bannable offense by Bungie. But there is a cheater just like [redacted] in my connection who was doing it for over a year now without any ban. We match this cheater every day and we report him every day. That is why I can say with 100% certainty that in-game reports don't work, web form reports with video proofs and PGCR links don't work. Some time ago I have created a thread here about cheater problem, in two days it had over 200 up votes, filled with joy that maybe now something will be done, I have tweeted it to every Bungie developer I knew, just shortly after I did that, my thread was deleted! Here is the full story that wrote in response to that: https://telegra.ph/How-Bungies-forum-rules-have-led-to-game-breaking-exploit-being-in-two-games-for-3-years-and-counting-05-03 tl;dr: Bungie actively sweeps these issues under the rug for way, way too long. This is criminal. When I told about how Bungie handles cheaters to my ISP they were lost for words. I just don't how can Bungie be so incompetent at handling this issue, yet so good at hiding it. I love my ISP: they provide cheap, fast, reliable Internet with IPv6 support, home router with open source firmware, open NAT without double NAT, they are simply the best. But now I have to be on their bad side because of Bungie unbelievable, inconceivable, incomprehensible incompetence. My ISP told me that it was 12gb attack from a single IP address. Here is PCGR of yestertday's DoS: [links redacted] Look at that, a 4-stack of recoveries. Just let that sink in, Bungie is so incompetent that people can reliably DoS their way to 5500 without any account ban. Let. That. Sink. In. After DoS attack we logged back in and the game tried to reconnect us back, but as always it didn't work. It never worked even one time. Why was this feature added to the game if does not work at all? Level of incompetence from Bungie's security team is simply astonishing. It is insane that they could sweep this under the rug for so long and ignore the issue. After 5 000+ hours of D1 and D2 I hold opinion that people play Destiny because of reward system and they are forced to endure horrible balance, horrible PvP and cheaters who don't get banned. I think that Destiny 2, with the way that Bungie threats it, can be classified as psychological violence. Because we really need mental help after this incredible injustice that have to witness on daily basis. I know that I could easily inflict real act of violence if a member of Bungie security team were standing in front of me. After everything that me and my team had to endure in this horrible, horrible game [spoiler]when you have an ult attack in-game that can be countered only by jumping off the map your game should be considered horrible[/spoiler] that we keep coming back to because of the rewards. I get that it's hard to detect and ban all kinds of private cheats on PC, but I'm talking about PS4 and Xbox One console versions of Destiny 2. Consoles are secure, closed down platforms, where only couple forms of cheating exist: connection manipulation, DoS attacks and macros. It is simply incomprehensible that game as a Service, game that can be considered platform all in itself, cannot deal with this. A good developer would have disabled any competitive playlist until these issues are resolved, but Bungie just rolls with it and sweeps everything under the rug. I'm posting this again with Ninja edit, because previous post was silently REMOVED FROM INDEXATION so no one could find it or post there, but it would still accessible via direct link. They still actively sweeping it under a rug, this is crazy! Check it out yourself, here is the link to the old thread: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/249494026 Looks okay, right? But can you find it or post there?

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  • I mean I think the issue is people abuse and over report players. There’s so much trash in their logs from players who are just upset for being beat, have poor connections, played in a poorly connected game, disconnected because of Bungie’s net code, etc Very few reports are legitimate. This is why name and shame isn’t welcome because you start witch hunts.

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    • This getting to trending is such a nice reflection of the level of intelligence in this community. You rent a license to play = you can STFU Bungie bans cheaters. The fact that you can’t swallow your scrubiness is your problem. The only thing bungie could do is delete the loots earned whilst cheating, but they don’t do it bc they don’t want to lose players. If that’s not clear enough they know they can’t lose you! Last, but not least, you’re playing a P2P game, and you signed up for it!

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      • I got DDoS the other day during a gambit match we were winning. All-bit i was using crooked fang. At least its not sleeper right? Anyways, the moment we summoned our Prime the second time and well on our to winning. Seconds, seconds after spawning our prime, the whole group of my friends got kicked from the match. I understand the random disconnect for 1 player once in a while. But a whole team? Right... Im not defending or attacking bungie but this shit needs to end. NOW.

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        • Exposing my own naivete here, how would someone get my IP address? I can't imagine that Bungie just lists that for anyone to see. Wouldn't Bungie's own servers act as a clearing house anyway?

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          • Just get a twitch streamer or YouTuber to report it to Bungie they’ll pay attention to the problem then anyone else doesn’t matter.

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            • Ninjas be spineless.

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              • If you have all this proof backed by your ISP then it’s time to contact the FBI, it’s there job not Bungie’s.

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                • Bungie STOP IGNORING THIS. The amount of apathy at Bungo on this issue is driving players away. I had a clan of 35 active in D1. We were all long term 15 year plus Bungie fans that had bought every game for years. Now only 5-6 of us still bother with D2 and only 3 clan mates bought Forsaken. That’s 1 clan not purchasing for a loss of over $1,200. I know, I know it’s only an anecdote but I guarantee our experience is multiplied in the thousands of clans for millions of $s in loss judging by the Destiny Tracker player counts each week.

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                  • Those people with there DoS Luna’s/NF’s they know there a fraud. They may not act like they care but they know. When IRL problems happen to them they fall hard because they can’t cheat there way through it. 0 Confidence.

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                    • Edited by x 4Kfilo x: 11/5/2018 6:09:01 AM
                      We’re is Bungie? Every time someone complains about cheaters in Destiny, Bungie never respond? I mean, this is just one of the blatant disregard on their own gaming community. Bungie only ever respond to streamers, you tubers that complain about their game. That is a very small percentage of players compared to the whole gaming community that plays destiny.? Remember pre Osiris dlc when most you tubers and streamers stopped playing D2 but for the hardcore fan of Destiny to keep this game alive, yep Bungie you were listening right!

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                    • Shame on bungie.

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                    • Bungie, can we get a response to this

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                      • Really lovely post but they wont do anything unless you become a successful internet personality

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                        • It honestly could be the sheer lack of people with cyber security degrees, the demand is so high and there’s not enough of them to go around. And the companies that value cyber security are going to compensate them better.

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                        • And the above is why i go do my powerfull gear then ignore the crap out of anything PVP related in this game

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                        • Sony and bungie should be in the justice for sharing our IP and our info to the ddosers.

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                          • Mention that you're a streamer, and they'd be dealing with that before they even exhale!

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                          • Excellent well worded and documented post. Your points are valid and very well researched and supported. To bad bungie will just ignore you like the rest of the community

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                          • ...you could VERY easily get their ip's and with that get their personal information from their ISP and THEN a quick dark web search makes things very interesting. just saying. not that I would do anything like that...

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                            • I have read many posts on this forum but none with as much conviction as the one above. It’s hard for me to understand the cheating in a video game. Why someone would even bother? I just don’t get that.

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                              • Bungie over here like "we added an algorithm to the the algorithm of the exotic algorithm on the engram algorithm of the drop chance algorithm of the loot algorithm to add a layer to the drop chance of stuff. Also we're still hard at work on emblems

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                                • Ignoring every excuse people will make, this must be addressed. Something has to happen because of the constant DoS attacks in Crucible, heck I've had it happen in D1 when it wasn't even Trials.

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                                • Report it here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Help/Troubleshoot?oid=13967

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                                  • I stopped playing trials because of this issue hasn't been completely resolved for the passed 3 years on Bungie's part.

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                                  • I'm sorry you got dossed, sadly it happens almost every day if you play high tier pvp Destiny 2. Its astonishing how bad the comp playlist is this season. Clearly Bungie doesnt give a -blam!- cause lagswitch and ddos have been going on for years now on a large scale, and they have never even acknowledged it.

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                                    • Bungie doesn't care. They won't get rid of them bc then that's less people playing there game. It is what it is

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