[quote]Besides, it's not like Bungie is coming to the table to discuss civilly in a bipartisan manner anyway so...[/quote] The community isn't "coming to the table to discuss civilly in a bipartisan manner" either. You know why Bungie doesn't respond to most of these posts? Because most of these posts are literally just people firing digital horse crap at them. If people would stop being so hateful and actually were constructive (there are a few constructive people, but most aren't), then I can bet that they would respond much more. If you dig deep into the forums, you will see them reply. There was a post where someone gave a suggestion to make armor of the same set give a "set bonus" if you wear the whole set at once. Cozmo replied to that post, and not just with a "I'll let the dev team know" response either. He said it was a good idea, but how would it clash with Exotics? Maybe people would be less motivated to use Exotics if they could just use a whole set instead? Guess why he gave this useful response? Because that post was [i]constructive[/i], and it didn't have blind hate in it anywhere.

[quote]The community isn't "coming to the table to discuss civilly in a bipartisan manner" either.[/quote][quote](there are a few constructive people, but most aren't)[/quote] Dude! LOL. that is a direct contradiction. You just said the community isn't doing it and admitted 3 sentences later that there are some that are! [quote]Cozmo replied to that post, and not just with a "I'll let the dev team know" response either.[/quote] Want to know why he responded to that comment? Because it was safe and not incriminating. Want me to provide you with some links to constructive posts that literally got nothing?

Alright, let's just discuss this like mature adults. Nobody has to throw angry fireballs at each other, alright? No one will make any useful points otherwise. I admit that didn't explain myself properly, so let me clarify what I meant better: I know that there are some posts that are constructive, but at least 75% (that's just an estimation, don't take it literally) of these forums are just blind hate. I said that [i]some[/i] of the the posts are constructive, not all. And yeah I agree, I've seen plenty of constructive posts that they don't respond to. But it's more likely for them to respond to a constructive post, instead of a hateful post. My point is that they would respond more often if the forums were constructive.

Okay, if we are going to discuss like mature adults, let's think like them too: [quote]My point is that they would respond more often if the forums were constructive.[/quote] This is not demonstrably true unless there is some disclaimer on the forum that states 'we will discuss all topics once the forums are 100% clean' [quote]I know that there are some posts that are constructive, but at least 75% (that's just an estimation, don't take it literally) of these forums are just blind hate. I said that some of the the posts are constructive, not all.[/quote] I think the 75% is a bit tough, but okay I can see a discrepancy between constructive/ toxic posts over time since people will typically get fed up over time as opposed to at launch time. My counter to that is that this forum has moderators who get paid (or not) to keep things civil or at least point Bungie in the right direction. Okay people are going to leave shitty comments, let's skip those and respond to the ones with a lot of up-votes or responses even if the topic is taboo i.e., I am bored, I prefer D1. You think they're going to reply to that just because it is civil and constructive? No they're going to ignore it because it's damaging to their credibility. [quote]But it's more likely for them to respond to a constructive post[/quote] I disagree with this. Look at their post history- They seem to reply to lighthearted threads or topics that won't escalate into a conversation where they want to avoid a sore spot.

[quote]This is not demonstrably true unless there is some disclaimer on the forum that states 'we will discuss all topics once the forums are 100% clean'[/quote] What you're saying is true, however I'm pretty sure Bungie would rather talk to someone who isn't insulting them, instead of someone who is. I would, wouldn't you? [quote]My counter to that is that this forum has moderators who get paid (or not) to keep things civil or at least point Bungie in the right direction.[/quote] All the Ninjas and Mentors are volunteers, and none of them get paid. I believe (I'm sorry, but I don't remember exactly where) this is stated in the CoC (Code of Conduct). I also remember seeing a Ninja say this himself a while back. They're job isn't to steer the forums into being constructive either, they are here to do things like move posts to the right sub-forum, delete comments or ban users that violate the CoC, etc. They don't communicate with Bungie either, that's what Cozmo does. [quote]Okay people are going to leave shitty comments, let's skip those and respond to the ones with a lot of up-votes or responses even if the topic is taboo i.e., I am bored, I prefer D1. You think they're going to reply to that just because it is civil and constructive? No they're going to ignore it because it's damaging to their credibility.[/quote][quote]I disagree with this. Look at their post history- They seem to reply to lighthearted threads or topics that won't escalate into a conversation where they want to avoid a sore spot.[/quote] Personally I think it's a bit of both. They will respond to posts that are constructive and/or not damaging to their credibility. However, that's not just Bungie who does this. I can't think of a single AAA company who constantly responds to hateful comments, all of them respond to only the lighthearted/constructive posts, if they respond to any at all.

Okay let's test this out like science. Can you give me just one example of a thread where something really controversial was discussed but in a constructive manner that Bungie replied to? Just one.

[quote]Okay let's test this out like science. Can you give me just one example of a thread where something really controversial was discussed but in a constructive manner that Bungie replied to? Just one.[/quote] That depends on what you mean by "really controversial".

''Bungie this game is boring here are some ideas" "Why are weapon rolls static and why are you not changing it" "D1 was better because xxx" > This gives them insight to figure out why D1 was better and implement here ''You had 3 years to learn from your mistakes, why is history repeating itself"