[quote]Oh I agree that the people who say they are "locked out" of content really aren't. The only thing in D1 that I saw a barrier to getting was the adept weapons. Flawless was very difficult and it was the only way to get those guns (and the 5 and 7 win loot to an extent). Personally, I like that I use a gun in PvE and jump to PvP and it behaves and feels exactly the same. Not everyone thinks this way though and I know that. Bungie will do what they feel is best for the game as a whole, they aren't in this to fail.[/quote] I like that too but if we want it to remain like that, as Bungie seems to want it to, then we need to accept a couple things. Either we need to accept that all weapons will be balanced first for PVP, which will make PVE very boring, or we accept that the game should NEVER be competitive in nature due to the fact that loot can influence outcomes, and just accept PVP for what it is: a fun, but not necessarily balanced or competitive experience. You can't have your cake and eat it too, and going with one or the other has its consequences.

I agree to an extent. I get what you are saying with wanting to feel like a superhero with a big gun that destroys stuff like in D1, and that was fun, but I have enjoyed PvE in D2 just as much as in D1. I think both can be enjoyable, it just really depends on what you are looking for in the game.

Exactly. And what made Destiny fun for me was the fact that it was a break from the ordinary shooters I was currently playing. It offered something VASTLY different that other games didn't offer. Co-OP, team oriented play, the ability to use heavy weapons/snipers as often as I wanted, grind for awesome gear, etc. To me, there is literally NOTHING that distinguishes D2 from any other shooter out there. In fact, it might be worse since it doesn't even do well what dedicated shooters DO do well - and the PVE play has suffered immensely for changes to try to make it play like a standard shooter in PVP. Again, not sayingit can't be fun, but the product no longer differentiates itself from other products out there. And quite frankly, If I'm going to play a pure FPS, I'd rather play one with a much better narrative and one that has a better PVP experience.

I can't argue with anything you have said, I still enjoy D2. You may be right about it getting boring after a while but I don't see that happening for me. Let's hope that the DLCs are big expansions like they are supposed to be and see where it goes. I appreciate that we could have a rational conversation and actually listened to each other's points. These forums can be pretty toxic and it is nice to have a conversation with someone here that resembles a real life conversation where we are both working on making things better, not just bashing each others ideas.

No and I hope you don't take me the wrong way. I'm not condemning you for enjoying the product. I just have my concerns about the long-term viability of the product in its current state. I think we both want the same things here, in principal at least. A fun, viable product that is durable in the long term. I think you still have a lot of hope for the franchise, and if this game/company/franchise hasn't beaten you down yet, good on you. For me, I've simply endured having too much taken away from the game to continue to support it. My criticism of the game, for all intents and purposes, is usually geared towards wanting them to fix the issues. Spend time fixing REAL issues rather than fixing what isn't broken, and creating other issues in the process. Good chat man, and I wish you the best of luck in your adventures.