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Edited by Joyaboi: 8/27/2017 3:07:21 PM
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Is Destiny 2 just an expansion?

[spoiler]*A Wild Gringo has appeared*[/spoiler] So I've been kind of quiet about this but it has been kind of eating away at me so I figured I'll write it, get 2 replies, 3 likes, and my conscience will be settled. Also I am certainly biased on this source. I wasted... too much time on D1 and I preordered D2. I have a big stake in this game being good, plus the "I told you so" rights. Take what I say with a grain of salt, however I do like to look at things logically and I prefer to make arguments based on facts or reasonable speculation instead of half a sentence explaining in no uncertain terms that my opinion is better than yours. With that out of the way... Countless times I have heard criticism against Destiny 2. Plenty of it is fair (like the new weapon system, locked loadouts, 4v4 pvp, etc.) but the criticism I am talking about is, as you could guess, "Destiny 2 looks just like DLC". I am a bit confused by this, and it certainly doesn't help when people respond with "that is what a sequel is supposed to look like." Destiny 2 could come out as an awful game for all I know, but I am just here to explain why Destiny 2 isn't deserving of the Destiny 1.5 moniker. Firstly Destiny 2 had to be a sequel. They literally couldn't have made it DLC to the original game. Aside from the fundamental changes that couldn't work in D1, the engine couldn't handle it. The Tiger Engine for D1 was designed with lastgen consoles in mind. The last expansion literally couldn't be put on the older consoles. It probably couldn't support another new zone, let alone 4 and everything else. It had to be a separate game, but most people with a brain and access to google could figure that so I'm not gonna harp on it any more. The big reason that I see people use to justify "Destiny 1.5" is that not enough was changed. There is still a golden gun super, there is still the Taken, the gunplay is still fantastic etc. Just look at this [url=https://youtu.be/w1wW2Kv1AhA]video[/url] to see what I mean. This also dumbfounds me though. It is as if the guy who made it went "look! There are launchers in both games! They're practically the same thing!" And this is where I introduce the "Halo Method". [i]The Halo Method[/i] is very simple. If you criticize a sequel for being too similar, could that criticism also apply to the original Halo trilogy? If so then it is invalid. Take enemy races. I heard complaints that Destiny 2 won't be adding new enemy factions but just revamping the old ones. But Halo did that. In Halo CE, 2 and 3 the only enemy factions (that are different gameplay wise) are the Covenant, The Flood, and Sentinels (and Humans for 1 mission). This never changes. Hell Halo 2 didn't add a single new enemy type to the Flood. And yet I never heard anybody complain about Halo 3's lack of new enemy factions. Did anybody play the mission "Covenant" in Halo 3 and go "aww man Bungie just reskined Silent Cartographer". No because people would call you an idiot. But I hear people say "aww man Nessus is just a reskin of Venus". Why? Because it has forests and Vex of course. Completely ignoring that those are literally the only 2 similarities. I can only chalk this up to people simply wanting to dislike Destiny 2 because it is a hip thing to do and they don't want to go through the effort of trying to find legitimate issues like those mentioned prior. If you have a good, well thought out reason as to why Destiny 2 isn't what a sequel should be, I'd be more than happy to hear it. Both sides please be civil and if you see some idiot with half a sentence and as much logic as Scientology, just mute them and move on. Commenting only encourages them. Thanks for reading. [b]Tl;dr[/b] read the paragraph starting with [i]The Halo Method[/i] [spoiler]If some smart ass in the comments responds with half a sentence like I just previously condemned, please simply comment to them [quote]"Have you ever stopped to watch a bluebird drop from a tree, and take to the air? Me neither. Have you ever stopped to finish out a rhyme but the right words just weren't there? Meat Cleaver"[/quote][/spoiler]

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  • Edited by Ahhsenberg: 8/28/2017 5:20:54 PM
    I'm tired of people comparing Destiny to Halo. Stop it. Well, at least stop with the PvE comparison. Destiny is a much larger PvE platform. Halo has a linear campaign where you will probably only play it through a few times(if at all). Halo is mostly about PvP. Meanwhile, Destiny has you playing through PvE content like a mad man. For THREE YEARS we have been mostly involving ourselves in PvE with the SAME enemies(slightly altered in DLC). Now, with Destiny 2, we get the same exact treatment. Oh, sorry, I forgot about the addition of Cabal dogs. ^_^ Right. Of course times have changed. Destiny has changed to focus more on PvP and is seemingly trying to steer the ship towards more of a balance between PvP and PvE in terms of playability. I imagine that's why the Halo comparisons are starting to pop up more. However, that doesn't mean you can start comparing all the areas of the game with each other - holding them to the same standards. Destiny PvE is an entirely different animal than Halo's. Even IF they're becoming closer to each other in terms of PvP, it's not even close with PvE. Maybe if there was an entirely new threat to deal with rather than the same old enemies, people wouldn't be calling Destiny 2 an expansion. Maybe if there weren't the same basic abilities and gameplay mechanics, or at least having greater improvements to them rather than watering them down, people wouldn't be calling Destiny 2 an expansion. Maybe if Destiny started out using more of a Halo formula in terms of PvE/PvP playability things would be entirely different. However, things are what they are. People are justified with calling Destiny 2 a DLC in terms of PvE. Destiny 2 seems to be VERY similar to a Destiny 1 expansion. The excuse of having a similar universe, lore reasoning, or unfairly comparing other games is bullshit. We all know that there could've been a lot more done to improve Destiny 2 from the lackluster/rushed experience of Destiny 1. Maybe PvP is improved and PvE has quality of life improvements/POSSIBLY a better story, but it's frankly not good enough. More of the same content with a few changes aren't enough to impress me for a sequel to Destiny. Maybe it's enough for CoD or Halo, but those are run of the mill FPS games. We should expect more from a game like Destiny. But hey, whatever. I'll try the game out and go from there. I'm sure it will be what I'm thinking it will be, regardless of the "but it's an old Beta build", but I give everything a final chance. We'll see. Hopefully Destiny 2 will offer more in time.

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