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7/17/2017 3:51:11 PM
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They're running a small business where they need to get paid for their time and effort.
The things you're complaining about are the things that YouTube forces them to do in order GET paid.
They get paid for subscribers (ad revenue).
If subscribers don't interact with the channel (likes, comments, etc...) they run the risk of having subscribers deleted for being "inactive".
They are trying to help out other content-creators by networking, and sometimes sharing viewers. In the Destiny community there is a tradition of "raiding" podcast or twitch streams of other creators so that people from one group of fans gets introduced to that content creators work.
But if you listen to the creators, they make it pretty clear that they resent having to be this "in your face" with all this stuff, simply to get paid.....and REALLY resent the bullshit that YouTube is currently playing with their livelihoods.
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They are not running a business, they are attempting to monetise waffle.
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They are providing an entertainment service. Just like the big commercial channels....just on a much smaller scale.
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If the content was unique, then perhaps. But you only have to watch one Destiny Youtuber, to know what the rest are talking about.
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Not necessarily.
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They are neither providing a good, and or a service... Could hardly be called a business... Literally sitting on their asses using other people's hard work to get paid. Sounds like a pan handler to me...
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Haha dorito and mtn dew money for the shitty kiddies is hardly a livelihood and small business. Most dont even make that !
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Edited by Forever277: 7/17/2017 9:35:02 PMLOL @ running a small business....just lol 99.99% of people on YouTube don't make dick
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Yes a YT channel or Twitch stream is a small business. ...and the guys who are successful at it, treat it as such.
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If YouTube pens the check and deducts your taxes you are considered an employee of YouTube. If you're an independent contractor for YouTube and responsible for paying your own taxes, youre considered a small business. Not arguing just clarifying for others. Not sure about royalties, I'm pretty sure my wife only makes money when people watch ads. I could be wrong though, that's more her thing.
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YT can barely keep up with the flood of content.. I SERIOUSLY doubt they're tracking and paying payroll taxes.
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She's worked for YouTube/ Google since 08' reviewing flagged videos. Started her own channel in 2014, but she still flags for them. Technically though, she gets paid through Google, and they deduct her taxes.
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Probably as a courtesy, since she works for them doing other things.
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Yep, I agree, wasn't arguing with you at all:). Just saying some people are considered their employees, most though are considered small business ventures. More for clarity for the people arguing it's not a small business.
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they resent it so much that they continue doing it for money.. just like every other working stiff out there.. lets not make them out to be anything other than what they are.
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Actually that's my point. This is their BUSINESS, and how they earn their living. Some people seem to think that they these altruistic guys "doing this for the good of the community". They aren't. They dont' like it. But they keep doing it because it means food on their table.
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they must like it if they continue to do it, even though they curse the fact that they must do it.. just like every other working stiff.. what gets me is that people will complain about it.. why.. just don't watch them, don't like or subscribe etc..
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They probably like making the videos...and simply TOLERATE the "carnival barker" aspects of the job. There are aspects of my job that I like....and others that I merely tolerate and find stressful. they are not obnoxious enough to make quit and do something else, but they are certainly obnoxious.
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Actually, some of the most successful channels never even ask for likes or subs.
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Youtube is not to blame at all. Sure, their algorythm sucks, but it hasn't been based on likes in a long time. It's based on minutes watched. Even if it were like-based, begging for likes and subs in the first 50 seconds of a video does NOT make me want to watch the video. Seeing a homeless guy in the street beg for change the instant I get within his panhandling radius doesn't make me want to give him money either. People would also argue for the homeless man that he 'needs to beg' in order to survive, sure, but that doesn't mean I want to listen to it. So yea, Youtube's algorythms ask for these things (likes, comments, subs, etc), but it's a content creator's job to make people want to do those things with unique content, not clickbait, and begging. They need to make something people [i]want[/i] to subscribe to. They're like those apps that lock content until you've rated the app positively, then you see the reviews. "I'm only here so I can see what the app has to offer. 5 stars"
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Edited by LikeGlitta: 7/17/2017 7:57:31 PMHave you not heard the changes to YouTube that happened months ago? I'm not sure if they have changed the algorithm since then, but as far as I know, featured videos are the ones that have the most likes now. Views don't hold the weight they used. Not to mention YouTube has been paying content creators far less ad revenue because of the Wall Street Journal Pewdiepie scandal, so the changes to YouTube are most certainly negative ones. In fact the changes are so bad that some Youtubers such as SirDimetrious are considering making a full time switch to Twitch because they're getting paid a fraction of what they used to, even if their channel has been experiencing growth.
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I have, I mentioned above that the algorythm is based on minutes watched now (not views). Likes haven't been a heavy factor in the algorythm since the start of 2016. Monetisation has not affected the algorythm either.
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YouTubes algorithms are terrible. They are overwhelmed by the volume of content, so the always take the path of least resistance to do anything. It's easy to say the content should stand on its own when you aren't the one losing money by not doing these things. But they are doing this for a reason, and most of them make it clear that they don't look like it anymore than we do.
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[quote]YouTubes algorithms are terrible.They are overwhelmed by the volume of content, so the always take the path of least resistance to do anything.[/quote] I don't doubt that, but the begging is exactly why YT dropped using likes as means of recommending videos. [quote]It's easy to say the content should stand on its own when you aren't the one losing money by not doing these things.[/quote] No, it's easy to say as their target audience, who watches hours of YT a day, but stays clear of these videos. Besides, if they can't afford to do it, then they shouldn't be doing it. [quote]But they are doing this for a reason, and most of them make it clear that they don't look like it anymore than we do.[/quote] But it doesn't work. Look at this thread, it drives people away. Instead of taking the hint, they only got more aggresive, using baitier titles/screenshots, longer begging intros, etc. YT isn't 'making them do it', they think they're exploiting an algorythmic weakness that hasn't been there in about a year. Take a look at some of the recently trending channels. A good example is Carlsagan42, I've never played Super Mario Maker, I don't even own a Nintendo, so this isn't me being biased or anything, his channel just proves that algorythm has changed. His videos are regularly 40+ minutes long, he's been around since about 2013, but his channel took off at the start of 2016. And nowhere in his videos does he actually ask for likes or subs except for on the end card after a 50 minute-long video.
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He still does it.
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You mean during the end-card? After people have already seen his content? And you don't see the difference?
