I'm not going to touch PvE, but I'll go over the PvP rolls that are posted above. As always, this is just me talking about what I see, like, and don't, so YMMV. And no disrespect is intended to the OP, who continues to do a great job of providing a valuable service to the forums. With that said: [quote]B-29 Party Favor (C): Life Support, Smallbore, Third Eye[/quote] - Frankly, I dislike this roll quite a lot. Smallbore reduces an already painful mag size, and doesn't give much stability or range for the trade. Life Support is a 25% chance of proc'ing if you are absolute, which is a strong b-list perk. But Third Eye is a complete waste anymore, there is an artifact for permanent and enhanced Third Eye. I'd pass on this one. - pass- [quote]The Hero Formula (C): Life Support, Braced Frame, Hidden Hand[/quote] - I want to love this gun, because it's just insane to use. The stability is nice, Life Support is a good back-up, and Hidden Hand is great on scouts. The main issue I have is it's hard to kill with this archetype since it needs so many crits to kill. No problem buying and trying it, but realize that in a hand cannon and Hawksaw world, it's going to be uphill. - pass, due to the archtype- [quote]The Palindrome (C): Sureshot IS, Outlaw/Icarus, Reinforced Barrel, Reactive Reload[/quote] - Ah, the same roll as the last vendor Finnala's Peril. It reloads fast, it 2-bangs, it's an all around fun gun. Keep in mind that the perk combo allowing a 2-shot is time-limited and situational, and the loss of Rangefinder makes the last nerf hurt a lot more, but this thing is still a tank. Think about grabbing it if you can't find anything else to buy, strongly. - consider buying- [quote]Last Ditch 001 (DO): Flared Magwell, Hammer Forged/Close And/Or Personal, Full Auto[/quote] - I'm going to have to vote pass on this in PvP. I think in PvE it would be monstrous, but in a world where reloading generally means grabbing the next green crate, the reload speed boost is only so-so. Add in the full-auto widens the pellet spread, thus reducing accuracy over distance, thus reducing kill range, and it's not terribly well suited to the Crucible we know today. - pass- [quote]Ex Astris (V): Kneepads, Perfect Balance/Accelerated Coils, Rangefinder[/quote] - There is nothing hate about this roll. Kneepads affect you with any weapon, Perfect Balance makes it easier to keep the bolts tight, and Rangefinder allows the same effect. I'm a Saladin's Vigil person, but this one will go in my inventory. -buy- [quote]Teacup Tempest (V): Sureshot IS, Mulligan/Cascade, Hammer Forged, Rangefinder[/quote] - I love this gun as a whole, it just sounds chunky and punchy. This roll is decent, but I would pass on it. Sidearms are a dime a dozen, and great ones are easy to find. Having 2 essentially junk perks in the first column makes it a b-list weapon. -pass- [quote]The Wail (FWC): Lightweight, Hammer Forged, Hidden Hand[/quote] - This makes me mad, I was going to buy the one from last week, and I got busy with a Bungie play-a-long. Bottom line, this gun can out-distance the Palindrome. But to do it, it must have Hammer Forged and Explosive rounds, preferably with Rangefinder added in. No hammer-booms, not Wail for me. -pass- Additionally not listed: Angel's advocate, running Zen Moment, Braced Frame, and Reactive reload. Get a kill, reload, and you have a 3-shot Mida for 5 seconds. -buy if you like PvP scout use- Parthian Shot, running Outlaw, Braced Frame, and Headseeker. - Lightning reloads, massive stability, and the ability to preserve your optimal TTK if one of your bullets drifts to the body, this thing is a great option. It's not the easiest thing to use in Crucible, but if you can get good with it, it can demolish people.