[quote]If the only way to get all five I'd to kill someone with all 5, then how did the first person do it? We either have a chicken and the egg thing or there is a way to get more after having one already.[/quote] That's not the only way to get all 5... Read my post I've been telling you how. Ok I'll just spell it out for you. Person A has a fresh character Person B has 3 viruses Person C has the other 2 viruses Everyone joins a crucible game Person A gets 3 viruses from person B Person A then gets the final 2 viruses from person C Person A has all 5 viruses If you don't get it now then I give up.