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Edited by ninemil:
9/14/2016 11:36:36 PM
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No, it isn't.
- Cayde was an Exo, pre-collapse.
- Cayde knew Maya, as an Exo, pre-collaspe.
- Cayde can remember Maya, post-collaspe.
- Ergo, Cayde cannot have experienced the collapse, (Re: Exo lore.)
- Supposition: Cayde was in the machine during the collapse.
- Cayde was with Maya at the machine facility with Maya, pre-collapse.
- Maya was part of the team that could operate the machine.
- Cayde does not mention anyone else from the team, post-collapse.
- Supposition: Maya was the one who took Cayde, (and whoever else,) into the machine during the collapse.
- Ergo, Maya had to be an Exo by then.
- Maya worked with Rasputin, pre-collapse.
- Organic material was used in a retina scan in Rasputin's bunker, following the collapse, to wake the facility up.
- Supposition: anyone not in the machine during the collapse with military/scientific clearance is likely dead.
- Ergo, Maya woke Rasputin.
- Cayde has access codes to Rasputin's bunker, post-collapse.
- Supposition: the above is correct, and Cayde was with Maya in the machine.
- Ergo, Cayde was with Maya in Rasputin's bunker.
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- Supposition: the above is incorrect, and Cayde experienced the collapse.
- Cayde can remember his pre-collapse sweetheart, post-collapse.
- Ergo, Cayde had to be with Maya, post-collapse.
- Ergo, Cayde couldn't have experienced the collapse.
- Ergo, the above cannot be incorrect.
Perhaps Cayde crushed on lots of women? Perhaps Shim was at the facility and Exo'ed himself instead, (and fancied being a woman, after?) Perhaps Chioma built a second machine in Hyperion, and randomly opted to pop into it before the Hyperion facility was obliterated? Perhaps Exo lore is wrong, and they can remember pre-collapse events? Perhaps this is just one big red herring, and Bungie has written it all out already in the rush to fix SuperCut, and forgot to stop mentioning it in later grimoire entries?
Realistically, the tidy solution is that Maya is the Stranger.
(Also, if you're going to critique someone else's theory as incorrect relative to your own, at least be polite enough to read it :p You're posting questions that are clearly answered in the original text I linked you.)
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I read your post, I suppose I just didn't make all the connections. I see what your saying, but I've always chalked up the exos having no memory of the collapse either due to rasputin assuming control of them or just the traumatic events of the collapse. As far as the retinal scans, the ghost says "or something kept them preserved". It's not to say they are the eyes of the one who actually awoke him. And we don't even know that Maya had golden age access to Rasputin. She calls it their supervisory warmind, like it is overseeing them. And based on the golden age card, it seems like bray is the one with the passcodes, not Maya. That said, you could very well be right. One day we will see I hope.
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[quote]As far as the retinal scans, the ghost says "or something kept them preserved". It's not to say they are the eyes of the one who actually awoke him.[/quote] That's the point, tho. To have had access to Rasputin's bunker, they would've had to have been military or scientific staff. If they survived the collapse, they'd be wandering around with accounts and evidence of what happened during the collapse, almost certainly trying to restructure Earth's defence within the structure that they were used to. No records like that exist. Along with Ghost's line, it's pretty obvious the retina scan was completed with bits of a preserved corpse. You're not going to find preserved corpses lying around a warzone :p Ergo, it's not unreasonable to consider Maya having held onto important parts of her physical heritage when opting to Exo herself.
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You act as if a time traveler can't go back to the golden age. The exo stranger could be Joe blow and go back and get whomevers eyes it needed to wake rasputin. I've never considered that as an indicator of identity. Maybe I should have but the time travel aspect just make the possibilities endless
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Edited by ninemil: 9/15/2016 2:14:47 AMVery development meta, but you've also got to remember just how much money Bungie will have spent on Nathan Fillon. It's extremely unlikely that they'll have invested so much into Cayde's character without him being integral to the overarching plot, (and extremely out-of-typecast for Nathan to have a character, without it being central to the good guys winning - that's what he does, right?) The early Exo grimoire, TTK, his journal, etc, etc. Anything that connects Cayde to beating the bad guys is likely a sure bet. Chioma probably isn't anywhere near to the Sol system when the shit hits the fan during the collapse. Maya's a much safer bet. Wouldn't surprise me if Lakshmi turned out to be Chioma, tho.
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Now I like that argument better. It makes a ton more sense to me lol. Grimoire doesn't invalidate Chioma, but yes, bungie made much more effort to tie Maya to a Major in game character than Chioma. Must be for some purpose. I still like Chioma better, better story and back drop. And funny, I started out thinking Chioma was Lakshmi. I still have a suspicion bungie will pull the rug and she is neither though
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Edited by ninemil: 9/15/2016 2:41:20 AMI'm expecting something along the lines of Osris, Mara, the Exo and Lakshmi, Cayde, Eris, etc, being part of a collective, with the Speaker's original role from the SuperCut as partial-antagonist maintained, (Bill Nighy, duh.) I'll be very surprised if we're still in the Tower in Destiny 2. I can see the protagonist having broken off, and be functioning separately. Cayde is rebellious enough to be part of that, while Zavla and Ikora are too tied to their respective organizations to up and leave. (We'll see the struggle back home through their eyes, because Nathan Fillon and Gina Tores.) Beside, Cayde and Eris, right? Everyone knows it's coming :p Maya and Chioma. Cayde and Eris. The protagonist, Ghost, Mara, Osiris. Prince Aldrin. There's so much pumped into these characters.
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Causality. The Exo makes it incredibly clear in her journal how imprecise the jump process is during her observations of the protagonist. She'd have had to jump to get the eyes long before her encounter with us on the Moon, and at that point, it was shakey at best. You can circle around that journal, but it'll get messy and I can't see Bungie wanting to complicate matters that much, for a fanbase that struggles with the idea that two incidental characters were gay, let alone asking them to follow theoretical physics and time-travel fanwank :p
