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Edited by PoundLovesYou:
8/31/2016 1:27:28 PM
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A bad PvPer's experience/take on SBMM - the built in system meant to help players like me...
[i]UPDATE: I just want to thank everyone for contributing to this conversation and for sharing their own experiences and knowledge. I have learned a ton already, and am glad that our community can have constructive, open conversations like this. I just want to say that I am doing my best to keep up with replies; however, I am in very poor health and it is very hard to maintain the pace that this conversation has. Please know that I will read everything as quickly as I can, but I encourage all of you to continue sharing and offering input actively, as it is truly a great thing for us to come together and talk about the game we love and dedicate much of our time and energy to. Thank you all.[/i]
I don't really know why I am posting this, but after three games today with a k/d of below 0.30, I have lost all shame and dignity.
A lot of people think that SBMM (skill-based matchmaking) only hurts the most talented players, as it pits them against other very skilled players, making every match a chore and ultra "sweaty."
BUT...
I am a lower-skilled PvP player, and I have come to realize that SBMM is really hurting my Destiny experience as well. The thing is, my best friends are all quite skilled in the Crucible, so, it hit me today in a bout of loneliness that I was avoiding my friends, because:
If I play with a group of my friends, their great stats are a major matchmaking factor used when finding opponents for us to play against. That said, playing with my very best friends ultimately means a few things:
I will get destroyed. (And) We are likely to lose when I go 2 and 15 and single-handedly cost my team of friends the game.
So, as a result, i have been avoiding doing my favorite thing--playing Destiny PvP--with my very closest friends, which SUCKS.
This is hopefully a little food for thought for those in support of SBMM to unsuccessfully make playing crucible as a lesser-skilled player more enjoyable (i.e. easier).
Sorry for the lengthiness.
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2 RepliesI believe you get better by playing more skilled people. I have a friend who is horrible at pvp but she's gotten better because she always doing crucible with me. That being said she always goes against people my level ( I'm average with elo of 1700, and 1.3 kd) which makes her a better player with some coaching. So dont avoid playing with you're friends, unless you don't want to become a better player that is.
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Sadly, that is an issue I've noticed as well, in addition to being whipsawed back and forth between superior players and inexperienced ones. Are players AT my skill level really that rare?
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82 RepliesSoooooooooooooo instead of coming here and whining that your avoiding your friends why don't you have them join on you so it will go off your k/d and they can pub stomp?
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1 ReplyGet destroyed with your friends and like it..You can only get better and that is the best way..
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SBMM would have been ok if it is well implemented, just that it comes in with loopsided teams. A good portion of my wins has me like 28kills 2.3kd and the next guy 9kills and the rest negative. like it hurts man. I understand the need for SBMM but it needs to be readjusted
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Some friends I play with I wreck it, others that are really good it is a freaking struggle to say the least.
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I have friends that are way better than me and others that are closer to my level ..when I play with the way better ones the matches are noticeably harder but I feel like those are the ones I feel better about winning hell even losing isn't so bad when you can still laugh with some friends.
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1 ReplyDon't blame you at all. And SBMM doesn't even work properly: my connections are still crap (got hate mail the other day for red barring but it's not like I chose to red bar) but games are still lopsided where the other day I went 4.0 k/d with 16 kills and 4 deaths while red bar, and I was third place in my team. I don't think anyone on the opposing team went positive. Not isolated case either. I prefer CBMM so both my deaths and kills feel justified, but you would think that once a lobby is established that the game would balance out the teams with roughly the same skill level players on each team, not attack all the good players on one team.
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1 ReplyMaybe you're just [i]not the guardian you once were[/i]? Unless you want help getting better?
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2 RepliesEdited by Worrenz: 8/31/2016 5:12:16 PMI love skill based matchmaking! Before you get pissed listen to this story. My cousin had a PS4 and he just bought vanilla destiny, (this is post taken king) if I had to guess he had a KD similar to OP. My KD on xbox has hovered around 1.21 for about 9 months now. I went into a salvage lobby as his Titan using a frontier AR (I think it's a green?) And a high impact shotty (probably was green as well) End of that game I had around 18 kills and 5 deaths. Stats aside, I had something happen that game that hasn't happened for many PvP players in a while, I actually had fun. Yeah their aim was all over the place and they may have had the reaction time of a newborn but it was enjoyable. (As for ps players, how the heck do you snipe with those weird sticks?) TLDR: SBMM will only be fun for average players playing on below average accounts.
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Same goes for others. A full fireteam of 3 will pubstomp others. Look at both perspectives.
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I have the same problem. Not that i'm really bad, i am just average i think. My friends are pretty good and when i play with them it is just one big sweatfest. I really, REALLY feel that SBMM needs to go. They just need to implement ranked and unranked matches. Make the ranked playlist drop some different loot (not better or something). In this way you can play crucible with friends chilled out or on the edge of your seat. But i know it probably won't be here for at least destiny 2.
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3 RepliesWhy don't you be leader? I play with my friend who isn't that great and I make him leader and the matches aren't that sweaty. They're actually fun.
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Bump, my friends dont want to play with me because they get stomped on then i go solo and we all know how that works
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I'm just waiting for the comments to fill with guys who think k/d is everything.
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My only solution to you, if you want to power through with your friends, is learn to survive! I'd rather have someone get a k/d of 5.0 with only 5 kills and 0 deaths than the dude getting .3. You didn't help the opponent by feeding them kills and you didn't hurt your team getting those 5 kills. Because of my smidgen above average K/D, sometimes playing with my PvP friend hurts my experience because he's in the 1% of Destiny, but it's also challenging. I won't improve, if I'm not challenged. Gotta play more Rumble though to improve my 1v1 encounters. I'm not bad, but RNGesus knows I need the practice. Have your friends take you into classic Rumble until private matches are a thing. If they really wanna help you, they'll give you some pointers on your play style and some do and don'ts of the maps.
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9 RepliesOnly way to get better is play peeps better you. If it helps save a game or 2 and go back and watch. Look at your mistakes. See if anything could of been run different. Same time watch the top streams look at the lanes they run how they move around the map and try practicing. As soon as ROI comes private games will be huge. Get a group together and run drills. Anyone can get gud just takes practice.
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For me playing with my fellow clan mate's /brother's is the best thing,don't lose heart guardian, speak with your friends and ask for guidance with weapon choice and tactics, and most importantly don't exclude yourself from them because you think you'll make them lose just have fun with them, peace be with you
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18 RepliesYou should host that way you all play against lower skilled players. I guess that how it works
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This is why we need ranked playlists that have SBMM and maybe better reputation for winning with better rewards. Then place a casual, non SBMM playlist. A more "social" playlist I suppose. It would have the same rep earnings along with the same reward drop rates. I really do feel for my friends when they are forced to play with me and a few other of my higher end players. They end up having to deal with our matchmaking bullshittery. It ends up turning me off from even playing. I will say this though, as the group gets bigger, we notice a trend. A trend where we just end up shitting on other teams. Like SBMM stops caring and says, " Here you go. You'll mercy this enemy team in a flat minute. " Like really? But if I small group or solo queue, it ends up putting me in hopeless games that I can never win even if I try my heart out.
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I really don't know what some of the players complain about. When I first started playing PvP I was a complete loser. I was swearing to the other that they are better than me. Later I figured out why they are better than me...just look into my and their stats. Those better players spend a lot of time playing Crucible. The more practice in PvP, the better you'll be a pvp player. Now I do not write about Osiris. It is crazy myself.
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There should be a toggle in the options menu to be honest........it's really the small things that could fix this.
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I had the exact same experience when first attempting PvP. As background I'm a middle age gamer who has never really played a competitive FPS PvP. I've played a lot of FPS, but due to the steep learning curve when moving from PvE to PvP I've always been turned off by it. Destiny was the first time I've liked a game enough to actually give it a proper chance, and though it wasn't until about 9 months after launch that I actually started spending any time with it, it's now my favorite activity. I too had a lot of friends who played who were all veteran Halo or CoD players and whose Crucible skill level was much higher than my own. When initially playing with them I definitely noticed how much more difficult my games were than when playing solo. As such it took me a good 3-4 months of playing solo before I was able to come even close to hanging with them. I have mixed feelings about SBMM. While your point is taken and removing it entirely would increase the variability in difficulty from match to match, part of me liked the ability to back out into my own lobby where I was matched with others of similar skill and gave me a chance to learn the maps, try various weapon types, etc, before being thrown against top tier players. I'd fully support a player's ability to choose which they'd prioritize SBMM, or CBMM, but I'm not sure removing it entirely is a good thing if we want to encourage new players to enter the Crucible without fear of being so outclassed they just give up.
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Edited by SquidGuy: 8/31/2016 3:48:48 PMGreat post. We don't often hear from this perspective. I have heard my friends say that they have a harder time playing with me for the same reason. I'm not even that good either.
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Play more passively, be behind your team. No need to be in the action if you can't handle it. Depends on what you are playing as though. Generally get a scout and pick at targets supporting the players in the thick of it. Killing is fine but be aware people do catch on. So have a shotgun or something for when they do. Let them come to you. Not saying you'll win, but that should help.
