Sorry man, but most of those changes would kinda make snipers unnecessarily difficult to use. Slowing down the dragging speed of sniper rifles would make it too difficult to pull of drag shots, which in my opinion, take a great deal of skill. Aim assist has nothing to do with helping me with this since I can use my Final Boss (which has an aim assist value of 14) just as well as I can use my Long Bow (AA value of 69). I know you didn't mention aim assist, but I know this is likely a reason why people hate drag snipes. However, aim assist isn't always to blame. As for nerfing snapshot, that's very unnecessary and it would make snipers much less useful as they take a while to ADS more. I think people don't appreciate the amount of skill it takes to quick scope someone as it certainly isn't easy. It's arguably the most difficult way to kill someone since you aren't event using aim assist before you scope in. I don't think it's the equivalent of nerfing shot package at all. Having been a shotgunner myself the majority of year 1, even if thought taking away shot package was necessary. I'd say the equivalent of that for snipers was Final Round as that was in fact a ridiculous perk have. I don't mean to offend anyone, but nerfing the body shot damage of a sniper rifle is probably the worst idea I have heard as a suggestion to nerf sniper rifles. I'm pretty sure people would be mad if we nerfed body shot damage for shotguns as they already can kill you with a single body shot. So why do that to sniper rifles if you still live after a body shot? If you get hit by a body shot, you should do something immediately to move out of the way. Too many people I've seen try to challenge when they are low health, or they make poor decisions when trying to evade any incoming fire after the body shot. You are already punished by having a body shot since you basically just wanted special ammo unless you can clean up the kill. While this happens more often at closer ranges, better players will easily get away from a body shot at a farther distance. There is no reason to take out the low zoom scopes either. If that happens, it would only be fair to nerf all range perks on shotguns, because they're only intended for close quarters, right? No nerfing should be done to any special weapons in my opinion as they are all balanced. If anything, shotguns have the upper hand in comparison to sniper rifles. But since I don't think they're an issue, I don't think they should be nerfed. If you guys all want to push for a nerf to sniper rifles, you are putting the hard work of thousands of players to waste. Yes, they'd still be able to use them, but they wouldn't have as much fun. As for the quick scoping, if you get killed by that, you were outplayed. I know this sounds like a "get good" statement, but I don't want a nerf to happen simply because people have refused to adapt to them. If there is any nerf that should happen to snipers, it should be increased flinch. But tinkering with the speed of the weapon is very unnecessary. Unless you want a shotgun meta, I suggest we don't push for a nerf. Have your opinion, but don't push changes that would break the game. I also thought I'd note, every person that I've seen complain about snipers happens to be a shotgunner. Maybe you should try using these weapons yourselves before you are so quick to nerf them. As I've said before, I'll be more than happy to review any footage of someone getting sniped so that I can assess what any of you may have done wrong. We all make mistakes, so we should address them before we nerf snipers too quickly.

Also the whole bringing up shotgun point. A sniper nerf has nothing to do with shotguns, fusion rifles, or side arms. Sniper are in a state were they dominate any form of PVP and that's a massive issue. Trials for example, shouldn't be about who is the best sniper but the best player but sniper have become the crutch for trials, for skirmish, elimination, because who needs a head shot when a body and a primary does the same thing? Why do I need a shotgun when a low zoom snipers is stronger? The answer is you don't and snipers are able to fulfill roles they shouldn't.

Again, snipers are in no way more powerful than shotguns. Maybe they're stronger than fusions and arguably side arms, but they are on equal ground with shotguns at best. Like I said before, real competitive teams use 2 shotgunners for a good reason, and that is that they can kill more consistently than snipers can. Watch tournaments with iAM or Primal, and you'll know what I'm talking about. And if you get body primaried, then that's probably your fault for pushing too aggressively. This isn't battlefield, the Devs themselves even said it's ok for snipers to have a close quarters role if players have the skill to use them. While I agree that most Trials teams use more snipers, it doesn't mean that shotguns are weaker.

Look pal, no one cares about the "skill" snipers have. People want balance and nobody wants snipers ruined. We just want mechanics that separate good players from bad ones. These adjustments wouldn't hurt a good player simply punish a bad one. Why would any be against that mentality?

About the skill of using a sniper rifle, the only thing that requires less skill is hard scoping a doorway, which can still be difficult to adjust to when people are using their vertical space. It seems that you and many others only complain about the "body primary" combo, which is actually more difficult than scoping the door way. So by applying these nerfs, worse players won't be affected very much, only the more skilled close quarters snipers will.

First things I want to apology because I did get a little annoyed and felt I was being rude. But other then that snipers shouldn't be CQ and if they are that's an issue also I want a quote from bungie a link from the quote because I don't believe that in all honesty.

It's all good, it's a debate at the end of the day. I'll admit I might have sounded a little rude as well, I just wanted to defend my opinion. Here's the quote: "The intent for Sniper Rifles has always been lethality at a distance using a measured approach. There are a few scopes and models of Sniper Rifles that are pushing the limits of “distance” and allowing for pretty effective twitch combat shooting at what many would consider medium range. These changes aren’t intended to remove that style of combat, but they are intended to put the player at slightly longer ranges for that style to be as effective as it is currently." As you can see, they want snipers to be used primarily at long range, but they also want them to have the capability to be used in closer quarters should a player be skilled enough to use them. You can find this same quote in the April Update patch notes, I wasn't able to upload a picture of them.

These changes aren't here to remove that style. They didn't encourage it they encourage Long range. They want long range and they tolerate short range but the community clearly doesn't and my post and comments which are over 900 clearly don't support it. So regardless of what you want the community clearly doesn't support it and the majority is great then the minority when it comes to these issue.

I dont mean to sound rude, but I'd like to see YOUR evidence that shows that the majority of the 900+ people on this forum call for a sniper nerf. It seems to me that there is an even split of these opinions at best, and the people that do support the nerf are usually players who are either less skilled, or players who use and/or abuse shotguns to the point that they have more kills with them than most of their other weapons. Even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt by saying the majority of the people on this forum support a sniper nerf, who is to say that they aren't an accurate representation of the Destiny community as a whole? Until we can get an accurate representation of what everyone truly wants, snipers should remain the way they are. I think I've said enough what you can do to counter them. Just for fun today, I used a handcannon and a fusion rifle for a while just to see if I would encounter any problems with snipers in close quarters. Throughout the span of several hours of using this load out, I encountered maybe 1 or 2 scenarios in which the sniper either killed me or traded with me at close quarters. When I died, it was my fault for not backing off. I just thought I'd mention this since your main concern seems to be the fact that snipers are effective at close range in the right hands when you believe that they shouldn't be. However, I hardly ran into these problems myself since I approached the snipers carefully. In my opinion, nerfing body shot damage and ADS time would encourage poor shotgunners to not use vertical space or approach snipers as aggressively as they should when they are given the opportunity.

What I meant is that their is a considerable amount of people who are willing to talk about this meaning something is wrong. Also do you think it's arrogant to assume someone bad because they think snipers aren't balance? Also why the hatred against shotguns? Year one I get it, but now a days a shotgun blast Won't kill even when landing a driect shot to the chest at melee range.