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7/11/2016 12:17:40 AM
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THE GUARDIAN COUNCIL: Candidates and Elections

Continued from: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/207288671?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1 So I've been seeing more posts lately which make the point that Bungie really needs to open up more to the Community, as there are many decisions and changes being made that a LOT of people quite obviously disagree with. UltraNoah currently has a post going right now about it which I would urge everyone to give a read: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/208670434?sort=0&page=0 This has been an ongoing problem ever since the whole Dark Below debacle. Its clear that the lack of communication is a problem, and its become likewise obvious that after 2 years we are the ones who are going to have to do something about it. Nothing will ever change if we just continue waiting around and sit idle, expecting change to just happen on its own. [b]That is the PURPOSE of Feedback in the first place.[/b] I finally got the opportunity a couple days ago to sit down and contemplate this next part. I've been getting a lot of PMs asking me about if the Council was still happening or not because its taken so long to see anymore progress with it. The reason for that is because this particular topic is one that has been of most debate. As you know, I start these conversations off by providing a rough draft to serve as a base for discussion and debate. But each time I make one, I try to include feedback from people in the previous threads as well. Many have different ideas and opinions for how this should be handled, so I'm going to try my best to be as inclusive as possible. Remember, these are rough drafts, nothing written in stone. This is for the sole purpose of generating conversation and getting feedback. We will eventually go over all the possible revisions for the Council once we get through all the various aspects of it, at which point we can then begin to finalize the system. But this isn't something we want to rush, otherwise we risk making serious mistakes which could very easily come back to bite us. [quote][u]Candidate Requirements[/u] The following is a list of requirements that each Candidate will need in order to become a Council Member. The Community will be responsible for monitoring and enforcing these terms, reserving the right to have a Council Member removed from their position immediately without the option to appeal. [b]1: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES CAN THERE BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.[/b] Council Members must maintain a stance of neutrality at all times, their only responsibility must be to serving the Community. In order to protect the integrity of the Guardian Council, those who profit off of Destiny are not eligible to be Candidates. This includes, but is not limited to; Twitch Streamers, YouTubers, Bungie Staffers, etc. [b]2:[/b] The Guardian Council will require you to put in a decent amount of time reading over submitted propositions and observing debates. As such, all potential Candidates will [b]need to be active on the forums and have flexible schedules[/b] to put in the time necessary. (Candidates will need to have their Forum Activity showing at all times) [b]3:[/b] The minimum age requirement to register as a Candidate is [b]18 or older.[/b] Given the nature of this position and the dedication needed, anyone still attending school will not be eligible. (Excluding College) Nothing is more important than your education which must always take priority. [b]4:[/b] To ensure that everyone in the Community get an equal opportunity to serve, [b]those currently on the Council at the time will not be eligible to register.[/b] An exception can be made if there aren't enough Candidates or if the Community supports such. However, this can only happen ONCE as the longer a person stays in their position, the greater the chances are for corruption to take root.[/quote] I was also going to include how Candidates have to leave any past conflicts or personal grudges at the door upon becoming a Council Member as well, but I figured that doesn't actually apply to "Candidate Requirements" as it would be more in regards to how they behave and conduct themselves after being elected. So that will probably be added to the list of revisions as well for later discussion. MOVING ON! [quote][u]Council Elections[/u] The Guardian Council exists to serve the Community and so it stands to reason that its members should consist of those from the Community as well. To decide who will become Council Members, the Community will [b]hold elections once every 6 months.[/b] [b]1:[/b] Registration will be [b]open to everyone who meets the Candidate Requirements[/b], in which anyone will be allowed to throw in their name for consideration without limit. (Meaning there is no restriction to how many folks can register) [b]2:[/b] In order to register yourself, you [b]simply make a new post for yourself with the #GCRegister[Insert Year] tag.[/b] So for example, you could make the title of the post something like "Smoothies for All" and also provide some information about yourself and why you want to be on the Council, basically trying to gain support from others. Then if say the elections were starting this month? It would be #GCRegisterJuly2016. [b]3: VOTING WILL BE DECIDED BY LIKES.[/b] What this means is that there are no limits to how many Candidates you can vote for. If there are several, ten or even twenty people that you like, feel free to toss their post a Like to vote for them. [b]Elections will be held for exactly 1 week.[/b] [b]4:[/b] Once the Election Week has concluded, the Council will go through and count votes. [b]The Top 10 Candidates with the most Likes will be chosen[/b] to be the new Council Members for the next 6 months, at which point elections will be held once again. [b]5:[/b] An additional [b]5 Alternates will be chosen as well[/b] in the event any Council Members fail to meet their responsibilities and need to be replaced. (So basically 15 people will be getting chosen who have the most Likes out of all the other Candidates, but only the Top 10 of that number will actually be made Council Members while the remaining 5 serve as back-up)[/quote] Mars had an excellent idea with how Elections could be carried out as well, which would involve needing Cozmo or a Mod/Ninja to assist with it. At first I was going to go with that for the rough draft, but I felt it would be best to make the system more self-sufficient instead of relying upon B.net staffers. But that isn't to say we can't still go with that, obviously. Like I've said, what I have here is just to act as a base for the Community to build upon. As always, any and all Feedback is welcome and encouraged. I will be sending PMs to everyone from the previous discussions who took an interest in this as well. (If you don't receive a PM I do apologize, the site isn't really friendly when it comes to this sort of thing...)

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  • https://youtu.be/3gOHvDP_vCs I dare anyone to avoid groovin to the beat!

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    • I've been thinking about this mate and you deserve some serious props. Essentially what you've been working on is a quasi government within bungie.net which is superbly ambitious given the amount of degenerates frequenting the site. I sincerely hope an effective voice for the community at large evolves from this, given my past experiences here though....you're in for one hell of a fight. I'm with you and for this idea all the way, it's not perfect, but it's a start!

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      • Seems I'm late to this party. But that's OK, I'll be brief. I find the idea silly. I think it would be a huge waste of time for those involved. I think it would be a thankless job, way more trouble than it's worth. I think the benefits would be so small (LOL @ "more direct access to Cozmo") and in the end meaningless. I find the whole process put together by Mal to be cumbersome and bloated, and that's just an observation, I'm not saying I could put together anything better myself (and wouldn't want to). I also question this being put together by someone who doesn't play anymore, as I believe there's many aspects of the game that you can only gather fully informed opinions for feedback only through playing it. [b]But, for me, if it's something ya'll want to do, go ahead.[/b] I don't see how it would hurt me much. I already consider Bungie at a border-line failing grade when it comes to community feedback and community interaction. I don't agree that this would make things WORSE. And if, this somehow developed into an "elitest club" as some of my friends have posted concerns about here, I don't think I would care much. In fact I'd find it quite funny, and I'd have alot of laughs at your expense, if it ever came to that. Maybe in practice it would bear some fruit. Doubtfull, but hey we're grasping at STRAWS here. We've got a strawman so BIG that we're talking about forming a COUNCIL.

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      • The idea of a "guardian council" being comprised by ANY of the outspoken members of these forums is just ridiculous. The vast majority of actual players don't participate in these forums, and the vast majority of who participate in these forums don't even play this game - see where I'm going with this? However I do find it hilarious that I'm starting to see them change the narrative of their posts from toxic to constructive in a vain attempt to appear as an upstanding member of the community. Political posturing at its finest.

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          I applaud those trying to better the game, and at the same time, pity them. The avenues in which we communicate to Bungie does not need change, the communication of Bungie does. The sooner both players and Bungie see this truth, the sooner actual change will come to fruition.

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          • Get yo [b][i]BUMPY[/i][/b] on...go head big dog...

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          • Bumping this harder than I would Milla Jovovich....FOR TRUTH!!!!!!!

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          • I'm bringing BUMPY back!...them Muthapuckers don't know how to act!

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            • Bump...go head big dog...

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            • Horrible idea

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              • Worst idea ever.

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                • Quit beating this dead horse, let it rot in the pasture. The guardian council is a terrible idea.

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                  • So far so good but I have one question that someone else on here brought up why not allow streamers and youtubers to get into the council I mean because yes sure the could get their fanbase to keep them in and they do have the most to gain from breaking the rules in a way that suits the but they have a reputation to up hold and if they are caught breaking any rules then not only do they stand the chance of being impeached but they also stand the chance of hurting their reputation on the plus side though of allowing the to join, we will increase the chance of them spreading the word which would most likely strengthen the council since more and more people will learn about its existence I mean one valid argument I can think of is that they might be too busy to correctly run their position as a council member but I am sure they are mature enough to make the decision on whether or not they will have the time to be in a council and run a youtube channel at the same time

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                    • Keep it going, ignore the haters. I would love to see this in action

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                      • I'm still not seeing how this council can be effective. Cozmo has already stated that this council would have no direct access to the Devs and wouldn't be treated any differently than any other forum member and what they post as feedback. Nor is this the only place they get their feedback from. So now this just appears to be an elite club in the minds of its members and the false hope of other forum members that will think your club will have priority when it will not. And just out of curiosity. Since we have already established this council has no higher authority or single influence in the feedback delivered to Bungie. What will be the consequences for the council who fail to deliver all the things submitted to them by the hopeful members that voted for the council when nothing changes with how Bungie operate's their company and produces their game?

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                        • This is the worst idea I've ever heard

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                          • No support whatsoever. This is a [b]bad[/b] idea.

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                            • Bump, I mean [i]why not[/i], regular forum posting and feedback remains the same so, I see no prob in giving it a go.

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                                Lol, still pursuing this smoke and mirrors Guardian Council idea. Give it up, you are wasting your time. #friendlyadvice

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                                • Edited by DemonicDmouse: 7/19/2016 12:36:41 AM
                                  [spoiler]removed[/spoiler]

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                                  • I propose a Guardian Council sub committee. This committee would vet ideas before they were presented to the Guardian Council for vetting before being presented to Bungie. 🙂

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                                    • I suggest we make it required that people on the council have access to the full game otherwise they can't accurately rate the feedback.

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                                    • Edited by welderman adam: 7/14/2016 12:13:36 AM
                                      [quote][b]2:[/b] The Guardian Council will require you to put in a decent amount of time reading over submitted propositions and observing debates. As such, all potential Candidates will [b]need to be active on the forums and have flexible schedules[/b] to put in the time necessary. ([b]Candidates will need to have their Forum Activity showing at all times)[/b] [/quote] I read this as "showing dedication through post count/trustworthiness based on attitude and according to some metric which Bungie decides on and being represented by some as of yet to be determined identifier graphically placed upon some users visable profile." Or am I wrong? [i]So what if...[/i] Perhaps if they, Bungie, just brought back forum titles and gave these council members a pretty blue bar, then the desired results from this council would manifest organically. The council/mythic members would get more moderator replies while bringing more developer attention and thus gain more direct feedback, just like the old days! I'm aware of the fact that I have only ever reached the level of heroic member, therefore rendering my posts obsolete to the upper echelon of this community, but I'm also aware that my "pleb" status forced me to really try and put together a well thought out idea before crying about things I didn't like. Either way, good luck everyone!

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                                    • Question do you own the taken king?

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