[quote](while sacrificing invisibility for poison)[/quote] You say this like it was a tough choice...and that people even use invisibility for PvP. [quote]along with a slot that can give your allies bonus armour and recovery, or drop more orbs.[/quote] Once again who the hell would use these perks at all for PvP asides the thing that'll actually be useful. Like if a Defender was running the "Heavy weapon kills have a chance to make an orb" perk rather than the armor increasing & super cool down reducing perk or the bubble buff...buff. [quote]since alone these two grenades were almost completely useless[/quote] Yeah sure being being slowed down to a crawl, not able to jump or use abilities, & have your screen -blam!-ed. Completely useless. 0/10 "Never again" - IGN. What are its grenades...void wall being area denial as well as vortex grenade. And whatever the hell is their 3rd grenade. Oh god please don't be one of the people that defend(ed) that Thorn was a perfectly balanced weapon as well. Edit: OP has 3 Hunters....I'm not sure what I expected. Move along folks nothing to see here.