This is a Destiny forum where people like destiny lol if you don't like destiny, you should go to another forum because here you are wasting your time. I agree with most of your points, and I too potty players stuck in the grind. I only play PVP and I have a lot of fun doing it. I could care less about rewards. This game could have been so much more yes! But you fail to miss how great it still is. The mechanics are like no other. Sure if this game was made by any other company it would be ten times better, but dude. This game kicks ass! You can't deny that. So many players who constantly play and still do? It's a good game. Players who "quit" like you never truly "quit". If you still go back to the forums, you are a grind addict in denial. You never really stop smoking until you throw out the ashtrays my friend. It sounds like you didn't have fun playing this game, so move on already! The people who are still here have fun, and there's nothing you can say to convince them to leave bro, you're just a joke to everyone reading your posts, and you are honestly embarrassing yourself. Imagine if some random hater went to your favorite game forum to complain? You would have the same reaction.