I never questioned you on that and I also never agreed. You made the statement of how you use them and asked if I agree. I do agree on how you use them but I see more than that. You also just told me you rush with them also now. And that you always kill and always spam at full dis. That is a grenade every 25 secs. You must get a ton of kills. Happy it's that easy for you I hope I can see this in action. Until then I'm seeing something different. Now we're you also aware singers have less than 1 KD? That doesn't support the picture your painting. Let me check your stats maybe I can compare your classes and get a better picture. I wanna be that good too =)

Go ahead. Let me know what you find.

Okay quick overview. BTW I like to look and see and ask if I am right. Just started reading these like to know if I right so I don't assume. So obviously you play more than a Singer and you have had a reset on 2 accounts from the looks. Your warlock is lately only doing trials not much else but also has the lowest numbers. Your best stats are from your titan and quick view is your probably running a shoulder charge/shotgun combo. Only thing is you have a really low best game kill with it lol that's odd. Best game kills are with warlock and hunter so you seem more active with them. Your wrecking ball is also higher so you seem to be able to handle a bulk of the teams work with these guys better. Hunter has better stats and obviously longer history. I'm guessing you favor it. Your numbers say you've reset since you learned the game but numbers are still good. You like action and being upfront. You do know how to counter and stay alive. Your biggest beef is that it messes your rushes up and gives people a chance to stall you out a bit. I'm confused how someone like you makes the statements you do. I would never guess these bolts leave your team running for its life.

I spend my time in trials carrying. Yes i have reset twice. And this is my second account. Im a warrior but i dont shoulder charge spam. I use defender. You should have looked and saw my titan spends more than half its time in raids. You also assumed i was an average player. Which you should never do. I stand by my statements because theyre facts, and are discussed in a few sweat communities.

Or really rush punch. They talk about warlock melee I laugh. Titans got those secret weapons people don't talk about =p

I never assumed anything. I asked questions and even in looking at your numbers I never made an assumption. I can't see what you actually play as and we are not talking but raids are we? The carrying makes sense now though that explains alot. Those bolts slow you down and your team can't deal with it. Likely your stats puts them in harder games. So they are more a pain in the ass for what your doing than an OP grenade is that fair? They aren't the strongest grenade by any means. Us singers need that to protect us from people like you lol. I am always curious, doesn't that shield protect you? The running one I mean.

Juggernaut takes a shotgun or fusion rifle blast. I dont use striker though. You referenced singers having a low kd and tried to make a statistic out of me. And my books dont rush much. Though ive gotten triple kills with a firebolt plenty of times. Majority are doubles. And if you meant jug blocking firebolt, no. Only if the bolt his in front of you. Side or back is a tag.

The Stat was from all stats, it's not from you. All Sunsingers in game have a combined KD of .96 or something. That doesn't support it being OP. That is the line I was connecting.

Look at random warlock mains, youll see they have more ability kills than most weapons. Which is how most warlocks get their kills. Nade spamming. Fusion grenade spamming use to be hot. But as you can see everyone uses bolts now. Ever wondered why...? Theres even a famous trials play built around winning with 3 firebolts before special ammo can even spawn.

Fair enough I can see that. I have tried myself to stop using them as much but everything draws you to perks. Again I have a bunch of YouTube videos and shooting is not my problem per say. Without perks the Singer is garbage but every class is lol. I started as void, thought singers were weak. The whole "Support Class" seemed like a bunch of pink loving garbage to me. Void is built for 1 on 1 battle. I prefer to handle my business and have team mates that handled theirs. I did Sunsinger just for story and unlocking purposes. Man I never went back. I unlocked Storm caller also. My kids took over my titan and hunter and so I have my warlock. Sunsinger is the funnest class ever. I can literally be the fastest person on the team bar none. I have a build and I just run around and use grenades to harass and claws for the double charge. I can switch next game and be the strongest person on the team no matter what class they are. I tank rockets and golden guns and pound away at enemy lines. All these builds come with weakness of course and can be countered. However a Singer is after all a support class. Every super has a weapon but Singer. A singer is the weapon and that weapon helps a team push or stand. Unlike a void walker, striker or bladedancer which have better one on one games. Singer is best when attacking many targets at once. There perks support that and forces you to play in that manner. Everything is built to soften targets, lock down map control or finish up strays or weakened enemies. Even the super is a choice between a posible second chance for your team or being a tank to ward off groups. You literally have no weapons! So those ability kills are easy to see. We spam mass amounts in supers. We also have perks and gear that force us to use them. Can't track a defenders bubbles and team contributions or a night stalkers. They have tools and with singers we are the tool.

Eh. Can jump in and only use guns or only use abilities. Sunsinger neutral is pretty strong imo. You honestly just have to be good with it and know what does how much. A single fusion grenade and a melee will take out a blade dancer and sunbreaker. Using warlocks imo is just too easy.

Well the funniest part is most people that say they are too easy have a higher KD with their other classes. Just be curious and poke around. If KD is the indicator of skill as people claim (I never believed this) then again that is not supported. In fact hunters would take that cake. More people have hunters than any class and hunters, and especially night stalkers have the highest combined KD in the game. So more people play the class and the class has an overall higher KD than anyother. Sorry to be all blah blah blah. I think I'm just trying to see if anyone can show me anything to support the statement. Just confusing I guess.

When destiny first came out. All the tryhards and CoD players jumped to hunter. No one knows why but its true. Were the reason why hunters have always had the highest kd. Titans and warlocks were thought to be pve only classes (which they are definitely not) so all the casuals and rpg players picked them. Hunters were thought to be the cure to this slow paced game since CoD is so much faster. There was actually a video or post explaining this. And believe it or not everyone agreed. This was back when the community was less toxic and everyone literally got along with each other. No class beef. No huntards or crytans. Just hunter, titan, and warlock. But those times are long gone. Never coming back either sadly. All the y2 newgens and pve elitists.