The stuff you are listing tho is a small amount of the Grimoire. Most of it comes from you actually playing the game, getting kills with certain weapons, certain classes. That's where majority of it comes from. Unless you pay someone to play on your account then no. And what person have you met that has been carried through the whole game? No one plays a game to get carried through it. They play a game to play it =/

My point still stands. You can be very skilled at all aspects of the game and have a low Grimoire. You can have very little skill in any aspect of the game and still achieve a high Grimoire score. To me, having max Grimoire just means you have a lot of spare time on your hands to get the points. You don't require "skill" to get the vast majority of the Grimoire in the game.

Maybe you should've read the thread [quote]You can be very skilled at all aspects of the game and have a low Grimoire. [/quote] I bolded out this point at the beginning to avoid confusion [b]I am not saying all low Grimoire score players are bad, I am not saying all high Grimoire score players are good. But majority of the high Grimoire score players are good, and majority of the low Grimoire score players are not good. Think about it, there are a lot of people with low Grimoire scores, some this might be there first FPS, some might be extreme casuals, some just don't care. But people with high Grimoire score play the game a lot, they care about the game and spend a lot of time on it.[/b] Getting Grimoire is just playing the game. The more you play the better chances of it you would be at.

I think we all agree that we've seen good players that have low/high grimoire but we've also seen not so good players with low/high grimoire. So wouldn't that tell you that grimoire just isn't a good indicator of skill at all?

I don't think you read the thread either [quote]Let me give you an example. I have been doing this for the past weeks and it has worked out for me. When I am looking for a raid group I would go to LFG and post something similar to this.- "Need people for a fast raid run. Only requirement I have is must have a 4600+ Grimoire score"[/quote] I posted that same thing on LFG and the forums every time I was looking for a group. I've been doing this for I want to say a month and a half now. Just to experiment. And the results turned out great. All of the people I played with were good. Not one of them sucked, and I even learned some new things from a couple of them. I can't speak for everyone in the Destiny community but I think i got a pretty good picture from my experiment.

Yeah no I read it. If that's how you LFG, I don't have a problem with that. I'm glad that it's working for you in fact. All I'm saying is, grimoire is an unreliable way to judge who's good and who isn't. If anything, it just tells you who's had more experience. More often than not, experience means better players but not always. Experience does not equal skill. I think you can tell by the numerous posts on these forums how people decide who is highly skilled or not. Not just these forums but every competitive game forums as well.

[quote]All I'm saying is, grimoire is an unreliable way to judge who's good and who isn't.[/quote] So I am supposed to sit down with everyone see how they play to determine if they are good or not? That seems extremely unreliable and a waste of time. Why would I do that? I have things to do during the day... Experience tends to lead to skill. Like a said in my original post there are some prodigies in the world. But most of the people in the world get good with experience most don't pick up something and know how to do it.