Thorn was op and still is though less so. It's not about 'crying about a weapon' it's about trying to have a pvp game which isn't based 100% around one gun. I'm sure I'll now get the 'but I'm amazing I beat thorns all the time with my white auto' I don't care maybe you're triplewreck in disguise. 2 players of similar skill one with the other without thorn, thorn will win. The only exceptions are very close range (TLW) and very very long range (mida) even they