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The Update We'll Never Get

Some of you veterans out there (the few that are left) may remember this post. I've put it in spoilers for those who don't know it/remember it. Destiny has made a couple great steps forward with the TTK release, but at the same time they took 6 steps back. As a beta player, and an avid follower of this game pre-release (They really know how to hype up a game, especially with footage from the actual scrapped Destiny game from a year before release), I've watched since the beginning the BS, lies, half-truths, empty promises, deceit, and terrible decision making that has plagued this game. Let's take a little look at some issues, feel free to add your own, I'm out of word space. [b]Fire Luke smith.[/b] [b]edit[/b] by now most people have left Destiny, leaving just the desticles and sweaty pvp players, and most complaints fall on deaf ears. But there is always hope. Especially with a new ceo. - nightfall is dead. They killed it with the TTK. Bring back the blue flame and XP boost (they said they'd increase XP everywhere else to balance it, but never did), remove stuff like emotes, sparrows, limited time event "rewards", 3 of coin as rewards, decrease the ghost shells. Bump up the light level, bump up reward light level, you die you go back to orbit. - bring back year one content. Seriously. No reason why year one, everything we paid for, was left behind. Luke smith said that he didn't want to bring year one forward because he didn't want players to have too much to do, too much to grind. And yet, the game is even more of a grind now, with less to do. Since day one the game suffered from lack of content, what's their solution to that? They cut out more content. - raid weapon rewards. They're disappointing. Majority of the players loved getting a primary with an elemental burn, it was awesome, a truly powerful weapon to commemorate your hard work. Luke smith did not like this. He chose to get rid of this during KF. He felt (and in a way he was right, but there are other ways to deal with it) that it limited weapons used, and that's not fair to other weapons. And he doesn't care if you don't like the decision, it's happening so stop complaining. Compromise. You know your players like it, but it does limit weapon use. So add drops to the raid that are elemental spheres. Infuse it to a weapon to give it a burn. Everybody wins. - [u]An in-game, looking for group board[/u]. Really guys, get on that. You're a game that dictates all endgame needs teams, but you don't give the players the ability to do that in game. Have a board, or a tab in the menu. Click different activities, add requirements if needed. Players join up. There's no reason people should leave the game to go look for groups. - weekly strike playlist is atrocious. A playlist was a good idea, executed poorly. No reason to have removed strikes from this. Again, community complains about lack of content, [b]you do not remove content. Add to the list.[/b] include all the strikes, make the first strike completed grant you the 9-12 strange coins and 400 rep it did in Y1. There's a huge problem of people not playing this. You join a game, either you start it with 2 people, it even by yourself (maybe they left during loading), or the other guys leave at start/part way through because they just played it 3 times in a row. Bungie [b]did not[/b] implement smart match making like they said they did. - a huge problem now, that sadly a lot of desticles don't see, are the microtransactions and the microtransaction events. They came out, deej himself, when microtransactions were first announced and people data mined out a bunch of stuff that was not just cosmetic (spark of lights), and told the community (who were in an uproar), to not worry, that was stuff left over from pre-release, won't be in the game. And then literally 2 weeks after the Sparks of light were released and bungie didn't even acknowledge it. They also came out (very late) and told the community no more DLC until Destiny 2, instead they'll be having a bunch of "free events". All these microtransaction events do is fuel microtransaction sales. They are not here to do anything other than that. These are not microtransaction events you get in other games where yes, you can spend money if you want, but don't have to, you can still play, have fun, win stuff, get ahead. These are just here to make more money, and do not benefit the player at all. - balancing is just the worst I've ever seen in a game. They have no clue what they're doing. All they keep doing is shifting around which weapon is on top. First it was auto rifles. Then those were nerfed to the ground and hand cannons ruled. Then they were nerfed and pulse rifles reigned. Then auto rifles were back on top. See the pattern? They aren't balancing. "If it's not broken, we'll break it" is a quote many people use to describe bungie and Destiny. When you notice a lot of your players are using one type of weapon and not another, you do not nerf the popular one to the ground and buff the crappy one to OP levels. It's not rocket science. And on the subject of balancing: [b]STOP "BALANCING WEAPONS FOR PVP AND MAKING IT AFFECT PVE.[/b] To free have they nerfed weapons to the ground because they're used too much in pvp, and they become unusable in pve. Example? Vex mythoclass. The end game reward for vanilla, the end all be all. It was powerful, and should've been. But it was wrecking in pvp so they killed in both pvp and pve. There goes the best pve reward. Awful decision making. "Balancing" also takes them [u]months[/u] to do. Literally months. Like every 6 they get around it. [spoiler]This is a quote from "The Ben obiwan", who posted this on a Bungie update 2015/01/22. So far it has 3500+ comments and bumps. At 2500 Bungie hid the post. To show support, and to show that we do want change, I move that everyone starts posting this to the forums, for as long as it takes them to listen. Fill the forums with nothing but these posts!! Force them to hear our voices, and to listen! Change starts with us! Keep this trending people! And make replicated posts! Spread the word of "The Ben obiwan!" [b]Edit1[/b]: the original post is no longer hidden on the update page “The update we'll never get- "We listened to the masses, and are making some changes to the game. 5 million people bought the dlc, so we have plenty of funds to make this game fun again! We are doubling vault space, hell, lets triple it, what do we care? You can now trade your useless ascendant mats for other things, 10 to 1 for radiant mats, 1 to 1 for marks. Survival mode added. Its really fun, and you get more loot the longer you stay alive. Grimoire is accessible in game, so people actually read it. As you complete sections of the grimoire, cut scenes are unlocked, revealing story points, it was always there, we just forgot to put it in. You can now change your characters appearance once a week for 10,000 glimmer. We made some really fun bounties for you to try, because we are sick of the same crap since launch as well. You can now add modifiers to any mission, and complete it for rewards suitable to difficulty. Of course we don't want every single core player looking identical, the outfitter can help. You just need the armor that has the appearance you want and the armor that has the stats you want. Take it to the outfitter with a chunk of some materials or something and BLAM you have sweet, unique armor, it's so -blam!-ing simple, I can't believe we didn't have this in since release. Crota's End sparrow can do tricks. We agree, all those low impact auto rifles and pulse rifles are like shit on a dick. Nobody wants it, so we added some decent/balanced ones. We fixed all them annoying bugs, like the sword disappearing, heavy ammo synth not working, and the Templar random containment fields. Queens Wrath is coming this week. Turns out there is [i]not[/i] a problem with YOUR network, it was OUR problem [i]all along.[/i] lol. Oh, and 5 more strikes are available, just because we are rolling in cash, and we want to thank you, the customer, for being such a sport, and believing in us." But instead Bungie just carry on, completely oblivious to core problems in the game. Why do I look forward to reading this every week? This could get 1000 bumps, it won't make any difference. I don't think they even read the comments. Edit: Lol, ignore it until it goes away. Perfect PR. Oops, should I of pulled that punch? Edit 2: Thanks guys. Obligatory new bump goal: The moon This post is unrealistic, that's the point, but what is unrealistic is not these ideas being implemented, but Bungie actually addressing issues the community reiterates week after week. Some acknowledgement is all we want, but instead we get ignorance. I love Destiny, but I've done everything, I just want to continue enjoying the game.” -the Ben obiwan [b]edit 2:wow!! 3300+ comments!! Plus all the other posts like this!! Keep it coming guardians! Make our voices heard[/b]! [b]edit 3: my fellow guardians, Bungie has taken down all other posts. They ignored us. But we have not lost yet. Keep this bumping and trending folks![/b][/spoiler]

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  • [quote] (They really know how to hype up a game, especially with footage from the actual scrapped Destiny game from a year before release),[/quote] Its usually the people and players that hype games up before release, but Destiny and Bungie was a very interesting exception. I mean we got straight up lied to in case of a complete 180 degree turn a year before launch... Another one is Ubisoft and their The Division project. They have posted and intentionally leaked the playable map layouts such as the huge Brooklyn map or the 2013 E3 gameplay video near the Brooklyn bridge that isnt even in the game now. They did never deny any speculation and talk about it. And that even when big YT channels were speculating and talking about it. They even encouraged it in some instances!!!!!!! Ppl are now pissed about the map size even tho its not small by any means now, but bcoz they were misled for two years hyping up map sizes tripple the size as now. I really hate the secrecy from devs... Lets take a good example from EA and DICE (oh god...) and the Battlefront road map. They posted what to expect, when it comes and the content in it. Its so easy... Just give ppl some crumbs they can collect here and there to build up a good way of hype... Not saying anything is way worse then saying atleast something.

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    • Day1/PS4. I ragequit hard upon playing the garbage that is year 2 crucible maps (Delete everything and put the PS4 back in the box hard). I decided to give Destiny another shot in late December. The fantastically well made core game was just the same as I remembered it. TTK was a decent addition, which moderately improved upon the paper thin story. But even so, the crap above that foundation only got worse. The only thing really keeping the game alive at this point is the 10/10 near flawless core mechanics. Seriously, no other shooter has ever made shooting things so much fun. The problem is everything other than shooting things. Even disregarding the issues with Bungie itself, the problems are extensive. PD did a really good job going over most of it. Serious lack of PVE content that doesn't quickly devolve into a mindless grind. IMO Vault of Glass remains the best PVE experience in the game. I doubt at this point that they will make something better without doing a full Destiny 2. The Crucible... I barely even touch it anymore. I don't understand the pvp focus Destiny seems to be getting with such a shallow pvp feature foundation. I came back to Destiny after playing Halo again, and there just is no comparison. Theater, Forge, and extensive custom game options are all critical features that Bungie themselves pioneered, yet all are nowhere to be found in Destiny. People have been asking for this since beta and we get Crimson Doubles with a side of obscurity and a sprinkling of silence. It's so weak and lacking that I, a PS4 player, spend more time in Halo than the Crucible. Connections... Even the 24 player madness that is Halo 5 Warzone is a smooth and fairly lag free environment. Even before the SBMM storm it was hard to go a game without at least one redbar warrior eating bullets like cereal and bending shots around corners. TLDR: The core gameplay of Destiny is damn amazing, but that won't stop it from bleeding out through a long list of extensive issues without major surgery.

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      • Edited by ReaperBlack_201: 2/8/2016 11:20:38 AM
        Hi, i am not a veteran or maybe for some i am but at least i was a player since the beginning and enjoy every aspect of this game. I will give you my bumpfortruth. Also i like to add some ideas from me, and reasons behind the scene which i believe. [quote]- nightfall is dead. They killed it with the TTK.[/quote] I think this was made for players under age 15. Nightfalls were a good challenge for good players but not so fun for who was under average. It was a big mistake, but they made this game available to children for money. [quote]- bring back year one content. Seriously. No reason why year one, everything we paid for, was left behind.[/quote] Main reason is they tried to block non-ttk users from weekly and daily events and forced them to but their shitty over price dlc. Think about it, if they let year one content available again there will be uproar from non-ttk users. Because they have every right to play that content. [quote]- raid weapon rewards. They're disappointing. Majority of the players loved getting a primary with an elemental burn[/quote] This was made for more grind and keep players more online. With no elemental burns, every -blam!-ing thing last long. [quote]- [u]An in-game, looking for group board[/u].[/quote] This was too made for keep players online, when you are looking for a group you will be online at Destiny. That useless time will count as play time. [quote]- a huge problem now, that sadly a lot of desticles don't see, are the micro transactions and the micro transaction events.[/quote] this was made for milking children, deticals more and more... TL;DR, most of decisions made by Bungie is to extend online time or milk their players.

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          Dude, It's like u are reading my mind! [quote]Some of you veterans out there (the few that are left) may remember this post. I've put it in spoilers for those who don't know it/remember it. Destiny has made a couple great steps forward with the TTK release, but at the same time they took 6 steps back. As a beta player, and an avid follower of this game pre-release (They really know how to hype up a game, especially with footage from the actual scrapped Destiny game from a year before release), I've watched since the beginning the BS, lies, half-truths, empty promises, deceit, and terrible decision making that has plagued this game. Let's take a little look at some issues, feel free to add your own, I'm out of word space. [b]Fire Luke smith.[/b] [b]edit[/b] by now most people have left Destiny, leaving just the desticles and sweaty pvp players, and most complaints fall on deaf ears. But there is always hope. Especially with a new ceo. - nightfall is dead. They killed it with the TTK. Bring back the blue flame and XP boost (they said they'd increase XP everywhere else to balance it, but never did), remove stuff like emotes, sparrows, limited time event "rewards", 3 of coin as rewards, decrease the ghost shells. Bump up the light level, bump up reward light level, you die you go back to orbit. - bring back year one content. Seriously. No reason why year one, everything we paid for, was left behind. Luke smith said that he didn't want to bring year one forward because he didn't want players to have too much to do, too much to grind. And yet, the game is even more of a grind now, with less to do. Since day one the game suffered from lack of content, what's their solution to that? They cut out more content. - raid weapon rewards. They're disappointing. Majority of the players loved getting a primary with an elemental burn, it was awesome, a truly powerful weapon to commemorate your hard work. Luke smith did not like this. He chose to get rid of this during KF. He felt (and in a way he was right, but there are other ways to deal with it) that it limited weapons used, and that's not fair to other weapons. And he doesn't care if you don't like the decision, it's happening so stop complaining. Compromise. You know your players like it, but it does limit weapon use. So add drops to the raid that are elemental spheres. Infuse it to a weapon to give it a burn. Everybody wins. - [u]An in-game, looking for group board[/u]. Really guys, get on that. You're a game that dictates all endgame needs teams, but you don't give the players the ability to do that in game. Have a board, or a tab in the menu. Click different activities, add requirements if needed. Players join up. There's no reason people should leave the game to go look for groups. - weekly strike playlist is atrocious. A playlist was a good idea, executed poorly. No reason to have removed strikes from this. Again, community complains about lack of content, [b]you do not remove content. Add to the list.[/b] include all the strikes, make the first strike completed grant you the 9-12 strange coins and 400 rep it did in Y1. There's a huge problem of people not playing this. You join a game, either you start it with 2 people, it even by yourself (maybe they left during loading), or the other guys leave at start/part way through because they just played it 3 times in a row. Bungie [b]did not[/b] implement smart match making like they said they did. - a huge problem now, that sadly a lot of desticles don't see, are the microtransactions and the microtransaction events. They came out, deej himself, when microtransactions were first announced and people data mined out a bunch of stuff that was not just cosmetic (spark of lights), and told the community (who were in an uproar), to not worry, that was stuff left over from pre-release, won't be in the game. And then literally 2 weeks after the Sparks of light were released and bungie didn't even acknowledge it. They also came out (very late) and told the community no more DLC until Destiny 2, instead they'll be having a bunch of "free events". All these microtransaction events do is fuel microtransaction sales. They are not here to do anything other than that. These are not microtransaction events you get in other games where yes, you can spend money if you want, but don't have to, you can still play, have fun, win stuff, get ahead. These are just here to make more money, and do not benefit the player at all. - balancing is just the worst I've ever seen in a game. They have no clue what they're doing. All they keep doing is shifting around which weapon is on top. First it was auto rifles. Then those were nerfed to the ground and hand cannons ruled. Then they were nerfed and pulse rifles reigned. Then auto rifles were back on top. See the pattern? They aren't balancing. "If it's not broken, we'll break it" is a quote many people use to describe bungie and Destiny. When you notice a lot of your players are using one type of weapon and not another, you do not nerf the popular one to the ground and buff the crappy one to OP levels. It's not rocket science. And on the subject of balancing: [b]STOP "BALANCING WEAPONS FOR PVP AND MAKING IT AFFECT PVE.[/b] To free have they nerfed weapons to the ground because they're used too much in pvp, and they become unusable in pve. Example? Vex mythoclass. The end game reward for [url=/en/help/?search=vanilla]vanilla[/url], the end all be all. It was powerful, and should've been. But it was wrecking in pvp so they killed in both pvp and pve. There goes the best pve reward. Awful decision making. "Balancing" also takes them [u]months[/u] to do. Literally months. Like every 6 they get around it. [spoiler]This is a quote from "The Ben obiwan", who posted this on a Bungie update 2015/01/22. So far it has 3500+ comments and bumps. At 2500 Bungie hid the post. To show support, and to show that we do want change, I move that everyone starts posting this to the forums, for as long as it takes them to listen. Fill the forums with nothing but these posts!! Force them to hear our voices, and to listen! Change starts with us!Keep this trending people! And make replicated posts! Spread the word of "The Ben obiwan!"[b]Edit1[/b]: the original post is no longer hidden on the update page“The update we'll never get-"We listened to the masses, and are making some changes to the game.5 million people bought the dlc, so we have plenty of funds to make this game fun again!We are doubling vault space, hell, lets triple it, what do we care?You can now trade your useless ascendant mats for other things, 10 to 1 for radiant mats, 1 to 1 for marks.Survival mode added. Its really fun, and you get more loot the longer you stay alive.Grimoire is accessible in game, so people actually read it.As you complete sections of the grimoire, cut scenes are unlocked, revealing story points, it was always there, we just forgot to put it in.You can now change your characters appearance once a week for 10,000 glimmer.We made some really fun bounties for you to try, because we are sick of the same crap since launch as well.You can now add modifiers to any mission, and complete it for rewards suitable to difficulty.Of course we don't want every single core player looking identical, the outfitter can help. You just need the armor that has the appearance you want and the armor that has the stats you want. Take it to the outfitter with a chunk of some materials or something and BLAM you have sweet, unique armor, it's so -blam!-ing simple, I can't believe we didn't have this in since release.Crota's End sparrow can do tricks.We agree, all those low impact auto rifles and pulse rifles are like shit on a dick. Nobody wants it, so we added some decent/balanced ones. We fixed all them annoying bugs, like the sword disappearing, heavy ammo synth not working, and the Templar random containment fields.Queens Wrath is coming this week.Turns out there is [i]not[/i] a problem with YOUR network, it was OUR problem [i]all along.[/i] lol.Oh, and 5 more strikes are available, just because we are rolling in cash, and we want to thank you, the customer, for being such a sport, and believing in us."But instead Bungie just carry on, completely oblivious to core problems in the game.Why do I look forward to reading this every week?This could get 1000 bumps, it won't make any difference. I don't think they even read the comments.Edit: Lol, ignore it until it goes away. Perfect PR. Oops, should I of pulled that punch?Edit 2: Thanks guys. Obligatory new bump goal: The moonThis post is unrealistic, that's the point, but what is unrealistic is not these ideas being implemented, but Bungie actually addressing issues the community reiterates week after week. Some acknowledgement is all we want, but instead we get ignorance.I love Destiny, but I've done everything, I just want to continue enjoying the game.”-the Ben obiwan[b]edit 2:wow!! 3300+ comments!! Plus all the other posts like this!! Keep it coming guardians! Make our voices heard[/b]![b]edit 3: my fellow guardians, Bungie has taken down all other posts. They ignored us. But we have not lost yet. Keep this bumping and trending folks![/b][/spoiler][/quote]

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          • You want far too much we have already been giving so much and more with more on the way. Bungie has gave us a masterpiece and you all just want to hate for no reason. Constant updates and events and still no happiness. You should all show come support and buy more emotes and things. We have been getting more than enough content and the pve and pvp mix has been sublime so relax and be patient.

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            • Bump this shit

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                • Edited by BERSEKAEL: 2/7/2016 8:37:16 PM
                  The real problem with those weapons, is and should be like is was before. Rifles to special slot. Only handguns and shotguns to primary. It was suposed to be like that, and snipers were even going to share heavy slot. - About matchmaking... ok we need clans, due to lack of matchmaking and really anoying LFG on third party apps away from our consoles... for what? For "endgame activities", and bungie pushes us to join clans to solve their technical issues. But, we have no ingame tools for clans. -ingame clan rooster -ingame clan chat -ingame clan lobbies -ingame tools to invite and join clans - About the game itself... has no real content, you play this game a week and you are done. All year 1 activities are left behind, only challenge mode matter, so they time gated it, and all their "new" exotics. Tltr; [spoiler]solution? Bring back y1, add ingame tools, re think weapons hierarchy... and most important, make destiny a game, not a cake that you sell in pieces. [/spoiler]

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                  • Want to fix destiny? Get rid of Luke Smith

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                    • Most annoyed reposted post ever a few months ago

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                      • OP doesn't even have ttk dlc.. are you serious?

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                          • Love this

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                            • Agree 100%

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                              • Great post. Bump. The sad part is that Bungie can't make more stuff. It is not on the disc. Also when Destiny 2 comes out, nothing in this game will matter. I don't care for my characters with no personality. I can create another lifeless one in Destiny 2. Free events with a colorful Tower is just the most lazy idea ever. I just wish Bungie could stand up straight and say; we only want the players money. Who cares about the game?

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                                  • Luke Smith is the creator of the Darkness - He's the last boss in Destiny 3

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                                      • You nailed it.

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                                        • Bump. [spoiler]ps. Would love to see them answer this post with something meaningful. [/spoiler]

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                                          • one day we will have a game worth playing. Lets just stick around and complain until then.

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                                          • These ideas are pretty good. I'm OK with the events because its still newish content and gives me more reasons to keep that hour counter ticking up

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                                          • The biggest question I can muster is how to break this addiction? Will the Division do it? Fingers crossed.

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                                            • I remember a "spoiler" for the 2.0 update back in June 2015, of course the morons at Bungie took it down, even after the OP said it was a joke, funny thing is just like every single leaked information, like Kotaku who no one wants to take seriusly even though it's been right 90% of the time, has been spot on the changes Bungie keeps making, even though people tell them months is advance that they didn't want them. The still defen microtransactions as cosmetic items only, yet how can a 320 piece of gear you can get by spending $10 on a microtransaction be just cosmetic?. Another thing I do not understand why people keep ignoring this, LUKE SMITH SAID THEY LIKE HAVING METAS, AND THEY ACTUALLY MEAN TO MAKE CERTAIN GUNS THE META EVERY PERIOD. People keep asking for balance when Bungie it self has said they actually like having some guns be better than other at time, that's why weapon balances happen every 3 to 6 months, yet people are still ignorant to it. PVE is dead people, get over it, yeah i'm one of those guys that still uses the forums but I actually did stopped playing mobths ago, back in October I left, came back 1 day in December, couldn't take more than 5 minutes before asking my self why I was wasting time on this game. And here's the best part, THEY DON'T PLAY PVE, Deej, Cozmo, Smith, and pretty much any well know Destiny dev or Bungie worker only does PVP, how the hell does anyone expect PVE tp move forward when the guy in charge of raids doesn't even play them. And guess what, Activision has said what was leaked months ago, Destiny 1 is done, only PVP and money farms better known as events, there is no big update coming, there is no new content, 320 is the last Light level any of you will reach on this game, btw Destiny 2 will be a new game, it wont add to this one, you will only be able to take your 3 nameless characters and nothing else over. So you have 2 choices, either keep playing their endless and meaningless PVP, keep wasting money on their events for no real reason at all, or move along to bigger and better games, The Division is coming and already they are learning from the many mistakes Bungie keeps making over and over, like not admitting their game is an MMO. I can't say thank you to Bungie because I feel like I was used, the only people that can say that are the PVP players because this was always meant to be their game, hell they didn't even test PVE before the release, all they did was PVP. They still think they are making HALO, and that will be their downfall, specially when the only company that puts their trust in you is the same one making Call Of Duty.

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