So a week ago I joined a group on the forums that was looking for 2 for Oryx challenge, needed 1 Defender Titan. I was on my Warlock but they invited me anyway and shortly thereafter, got the Defender Titan we needed. However, when I joined the group I noticed they already had 2 other Titans. So I'm thinking "what do we need 3 Titans for?". Well upon further inspection the other 2 Titans were both running Strikers and didn't even have that subclass maxed out either. O_o So then I'm thinking, "do I really want to stay for this shitshow?". So I go about looking these guys up and notice they have double digit raid k/d's and I decide to stick it out. Obviously, we had a couple people join and bail out because they didn't think we were seriously trying to do the challenge. Eventually we get 6 and get going. Well come to find out Tether + Fist of Havoc = orbs for days. We wiped a couple times because we were getting synced up with each other but once we all got on the same page, completed the challenge with no incident. Might've taken 45 minutes at most including getting the group together and a couple wipes. Moral of the story: As long as you know what you're doing, there's always a way to contribute. Also, while some might scoff at the notion of PvE stats, your raid k/d says a lot about what kind of player you are. It may sound elitist but just think about that the next time you get kicked by someone with a 5.00 k/d.