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Capitalism rewards hard workers, socialism does not. If you care for an explanation check the spoiler [spoiler]Ok so, let's say that someone works really hard in school and they get an A in a class. They get rewarded with Honor Roll, possibly their parents could give them an allowance (if that's the type of parent they are), and another person doesn't work hard at all and gets a C. They don't amount to much. That's capitalism. Fair, no? Hard work= Reward. Socialism then comes in, and just says: let's give everyone a B. Therefore Hard Work=/= Reward. It doesn't motivate hard workers to work hard and it doesn't motivate slackers to get up and make something of themselves. Socialism breeds Mediocrity and discourages Quality. You see? [/spoiler]
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  • Capitalism may initially reward hard workers, but at this point in time all it does is rob people blind. A better analogy is those who get an A get 10 merit points and those who earn a B get 5 a C gets 2.5... and so on. You can use these merit points to skip certain questions, raise your grade, etc... After you're done with school you can pass these merit points onto your kids. After a while you get children who can basically get an A on every test with relatively little effort. Although their forefathers may have worked a bit harder the kid in question does not. Tbh Capitalism is even worse than that, that is because in Capitalism the entire goal is to take money and give none of it back. With Capitalism you can start changing the gov. to suit your own needs through greed and money. I have a grandma who's a multimillionaire who pays less taxes than my dad who doesn't even make 100k a year. That's wrong, and that does not reward the hard working in the long term. No matter how hard you work, you can never work hard enough to deserve the kinds of money that our economy currently allows.

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  • If capitalism rewarded hard work then migrant farm workers would be millionaires.

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  • They may work hard but they don't have an education to get them a good job. I'm talking long haul. Those who works hard in school get into better schools to get better jobs and succeed.

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  • So it doesnt reward hard work. thank you. Now take someone well educated with a major illness for a few months. The current system will crush you if you get sick. I'll take Bernie's single payer health care in a heart beat. I want what the EU and Australia has.

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  • Move to Australia.

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  • They dont allow immigration.

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  • Of course we do - our political climate has just taken a recent harsh turn on asylum seekers arriving by boat. If you apply for a Visa and arrive in the country legally it's no more difficult than immigrating to the UK.

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  • work visa is very different than becoming a citizen. But getting back on point, If your an Australian tell me how you like your health care system because Ive never heard anyone say it sucks like ours does in USA

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  • Our public health system is what I'd expect of any developed nation - everybody is covered, there is no discrimination whatsoever in terms of coverage. It is paid for via general taxes rather than individuals deciding on a cover limit and paying their own premium. Cover extends to essentially anything and everything that is medically approved (extremely expensive cancer trial drugs in their early stages may not always be covered as one example). Non-essential procedures/surgeries are prioritised as best they can be, but there is often a waiting list (e.g. knee replacements) which can be up to a few years. We also have a heavily regulated private system which supplements the public system - patients are generally able to circumvent waiting lists for non-essential procedures, and choose their treatment specialists etc. The current system is certainly not sustainable however - medical cost inflation is and has been much greater than general inflation for a long time - drivers include constantly improving technology/drugs, increased utilisation of the system where it isn't necessary (e.g. patients being prescribed particular drugs where it isn't necessary, or undertaking surgeries that they don't really need - one large problem here is that our medical specialists are paid by hospitals for services carried out rather than a salary - thus they have an incentive to push their patients towards surgeries etc even when not needed), and our imrpoved ability to keep a terminally ill person alive for extended periods of time. Statistically, most people will cost the system more in their last year of life than they will throughout the rest of their years combined. At some point, if the system is to last, there will need to be some line drawn in the sand about prolonging the life of a terminally ill patient at the expense of the Government - but that's a highly emotional and difficult conversation. Our political climate when it comes to health costs has been to stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything is ok - the next few Governments won't have to personally deal with the issue directly, so they don't bother making it a priority.

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  • Thank you for that answer. Let me give you a first hand example of USA broken system. You get insurance here through your employer. You get cancer and can no longer work but you somehow have to still make the payments to the insurance company to maintain coverage at a time when your fighting to survive chemo and multiple surgeries. And if your lucky enough to work in an "at will" state your employer can fire you at any time for any reason.

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  • I've seen this happen. It's not a pretty picture.

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  • Edited by cnote3349: 1/27/2016 4:02:43 AM
    Im pretty sure Australia spends less and gets better care than we do and everyone has basic coverage. Total health expenditure per capita in US dollars United States 8713 Australia 3866 Germany 5002

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  • Yes the US has some of the highest costs per capita for health services in the world. That's partly due to the factors I mentioned above (generally the more developed the nation, the further these will have progressed) and partly due to medical professionals in the US having obscene salaries (something that unfortunately has become a cultural norm).

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  • Tell that to Kayla, a friend of mine, who moved to Australia Winter of last year.

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