If I went to a "real college" I would be riddled with student loans on top of faxes and trying to maintain a full time job How about you work with your hands? Blue collar workers are making more than kids with a 4 year degree from a state school. We can sit around all day and talk political philosophy or we can get out there and work to change it.

Some of the people who go to "real colleges" you can thank for your medicines, hospitals, technological advances, etc.

temporal fallacy times were different and those colleges ride on the fact that those people either attended there or helped establish that college's name i assure you the cost of college then was far less expensive and price gouged as it is today. i also assure you a third of those people never finished school much less attended a college. school is not for smart people. let that sink in. an establishment only hinders progress

Talking fallacies, false dilemma. You ignore the instance were college also includes graduate school, technical school, community college, and master's programs. Yes, many entrepreneur's create many wonderful things, but they are not the one's upholding research standards to allow for the continuation of discovery and human progression through research. You also ignore the present students who are discovering new things daily that are not covered in any media outlet and are unheard of. It's not just the people in our history books who have helped discover new things. I also find it amusing that you pull those numbers out of thin air. No supporting evidence to back up your claims.

so you concede that since we are both arguing with fallacies then neither of us know what we are talking about and are not dealing with facts or absolutes

I can name one great capitalistic reason for business and people to support free high school, though I'd wager you know it.

So what's wrong with free college. For the same reason ?

Well, I mean, depends. Almost every job requires some type of knowledge that is taught in high school, at the very least comprehension. College, on the other hand, is different. We shouldn't require degrees for tons of jobs but make it near impossible to afford college(also, I'm [i]pretty[/i] sure it's not this expensive to make a profit off a school.), but I think it would work better if Bernie made college affordable, but not free. Free means government pays for it. By passing laws that force colleges to be reasonable(Bernie's not stupid, he could come up with some type of reasonable thing), you allow money to be directed elsewhere into the economy, while allowing more people to attend college without doing much to add to government debt. I don't care for socialism, but some things make sense to have from a capitalistic standpoint. The more training someone receives before they want to work for me, the less I'd have to potentially train them on. But alas, I am only a college student who must go to sleep now, so I hope I made some sense. Have a good night.

The only problem is that their are a finite number of jobs that require a college degree.

Went, graduated, and in law school. Just cuz there are SOME social benefit programs doesn't mean that the ENTIRE concept of socialism is what this country needs.