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Edited by Spawn: 1/28/2016 1:46:17 AM
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Bernie Sanders' Economic Policy explained in Destiny Terms

Bernie Sanders' campaign is built on what he and many others call wealth inequality, his entire economic policy is built on addressing this "issue". In an effort to promote understanding of his widely popular policies I will now explain them and how they work within the scope of Destiny. Let's begin.. Commander Zavala's term is finished and elections are in process to select a new commander of the Vanguard. The Speaker tried running but was deemed "out of touch and too old" for this young generation of guardians. In a close election between Bernie Sanders and Cayde-6, Cayde-6's past habits of boozing and womanizing come out after a string of sexual harassment accusations from Petra Venj and Amanda Holliday. Bernie Sanders ends up pulling ahead and winning after this information becomes public. Sweeperbot mounts an unsuccessful 3rd party campaign. Bernie Sanders is sworn in as Commander of the Vanguard and vows to tackle the problem of wealth inequality among Guardians. Wealth in Destiny consists of a combination of exotics, god-roll legendaries, strange coins, and light level (among other things). Let's face it some guardians are much wealthier than others! Bernie vows to fight this wealth inequality "these 1-percenters have way too much wealth, why does a guardian need a last word, a black spindle, and a chaperone? They can't even equip all of them at once!" Bernie goes on to say "I've seen these 1-percenters, some of them have two Twilight Garrisons, Thorns, Party Crashers with rangefinder and rifled barrel, and HUNDREDS of strange coins. How can an up and coming guardian ever attain that sort of wealth when they're only getting 30 or so strange coins a week? These 1-percenters have all the exotics they could ever need and yet they still horde hundreds of strange coins and three of coins, it's not fair!" To make things "fair" Bernie hikes taxes on guardians that have an "excessive" amount of exotics and strange coins, if you have over 15 exotics you are hit with a 45% tax. You must pay the new Vanguard gov't 45% of your exotics or strange coins. If you have 20 exotics you pay a 60% tax on your exotics and strange coins, and if you have 35+ exotics you pay a 75% tax. It's only "fair". The new gov't then begins to subsidize Xur. As a result, Xur now provides two exotics and 10 three of coins a week to underprivileged guardians for "free". Regular guardians notice a spike in prices for exotics from Xur, armor prices rise to 18 strange coins a piece, weapon engrams rise to 25 strange coins, three of coins are now 10, and legacy engrams (a luxury item) come up to 50 strange coins a piece. Guardians who worked hard for their exotics and strange coins are ridiculed for being "wealthy", they were simply "lucky" they had RNG on their side. Never mind the fact that they spent hours raiding and grinding in Iron Banner, their high light level and collections of exotics/strange coins aren't the result of their hard work, they only have all that because of "luck" and it's "unfair". Bernie's economic policy and crippling taxes destroy all the incentive to raid and grind Iron Banner. "Why would I spend all that time and energy raiding when Bernie is just gonna tax and take most of my hard earned loot?" guardians ask. "Hell I could just sit back, pound some beers, and shoot dregs on patrol while collecting those "free" exotics and three of coins from Xur every week" other guardians say. As a result, wealthy guardians leave the tower, swear their allegiance to the Queen, and move to Reef (taking their exotics, strange coins, and possessions with them). Suddenly, no one is left to pay for the expensive subsidies and programs that supply underprivileged guardians with "free" exotics and three of coins. Without the "wealthy" to tax and pay for the gov't programs, these social programs go insolvent and suddenly Xur stops providing goods to underprivileged guardians. Meanwhile since their is still so much debt the higher prices on Xur's goods remain, sparking a revolt. Both the underprivileged and middle class guardians are unable to afford these high priced exotics and three of coins. The remaining guardians have become dependent on government and expect to be provided with something, however, Bernie's new Vanguard gov't is reeling in debt from providing all these "free" goods and services. The people begin to uprise (just like in every other example of socialism) and a coup is organized to oust Bernie from the Vanguard. One morning Bernie is walking outside with his bodyguard and is attacked by Cayde-6, Bernie and his bodyguard both fire their shotguns but Cayde-6 is 10 feet away and just outside of range. Cayde then quickly dispatches both of them from 10 feet away with his 1000YS sniper. Cayde-6 then embarks on a campaign to make the Vanguard great again. Meanwhile, the Reef has transformed into an economic powerhouse where guardians are eager to work hard, take risks, and keep the rewards of their work. The Reef has low taxes but because there is so much wealth their revenues remain strong, couple this with the fact that the Reef doesn't blow money on redistribution and social programs, and what do you know... They're running a budgetary surplus!! Moral of the story: Capitalism > "Democratic" Socialism Rand Paul 2016 ...and if he doesn't get the nomination any other Republican 2016, they're all more economically literate than Bernie! Edit: Lots of people showing love and lots of people hating. To the haters all I gotta say is supply and demand is LAW. Learn it, live it, love it. Bernie sure doesn't... Edit 2: Over-regulation is a bad thing. In Destiny terms, was Destiny better when it first came out or after all of Bungie's various nerfs and buffs? I think we know the answer... Edit 3: This post sure got crazy, kinda like Bernie Sander's economic policies. For all the haters I have one statement, supply and demand determines value. This is an irrefutable economic truth. Bernie's policies attempt to assign value in opposition to supply and demand. That is why his policies are guaranteed to fail. To everyone that showed some love, YOU ROCK!!

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  • Edited by Eternity: 1/27/2016 2:04:16 AM
    An utterly ridiculous analogy - one of the largest driving factors of wealth inequality is intergenerational transfers. Have rich and successful parents? Lucky you - you get some combination of getting to to go to a great school, having all the tutoring you need, college place purchased/paid for, and maybe even a great job lined up for you when you finish study. A more appropriate Destiny analogy is that when the game launches, 1% of players (Bungie's friends/chosen) start with 75% of the maximum stock of strange coins allocated to them, no work involved. Further more, they are able to use and abuse their connections at Bungie to modify the RNG system, increasing their coin drops and decreasing everybody elses. Over time, as they better learn how to exploit the system, their percentage ownership of the strange coins increases from 75% to 80% to 85%. Seeing an issue yet?

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    • Get out of here you idiot.

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    • [quote] As a result, wealthy guardians leave the tower, swear their allegiance to the Queen, and move to Reef (taking their exotics, strange coins, and possessions with them).[/quote] lmao remember when republicans argued that passing Obamacare would cause all of our best medical professionals to leave the country? And also do you remember when nothing even close to that actually happened?! hahahahaha add a slippery slope fallacy to your list of reasons why your cognitive capacities should be doubted

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      • I do not normally post but I feel a civic duty to point out a problem here: 1. People do not starve for lack of strange coins, people do not lose their homes because they do not have exotics. Your comparison trivializes the most important issue in our country. 2. I will lose not one wink of sleep because billionaires pay more tax on money they make purely by having more money already. If I was this kind of wealthy I really would not care that much either. I can only live on so many islands at once. 3. What in the name of all that is holy is this doing in the destiny forums?

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        • i logged in just to say that you are an ignorant twat.

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        • This is a very bad analogy. Very bad. Not only because you include things as part of the tower economy don't make sense (I pay a tax to purchase goods, I am not further taxed because I have that item), but also because you've misrepresented Senator Sanders' views. Now take your neo-conservative libertarian propaganda and go read up on how argument by analogy works, as well as how to avoid straw man arguments. If you knew your argument could stand on its own you wouldn't need to lie about your opponents to make yourself look better by default.

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        • That was an excellent portrayal of what socialism and most democrats believe in. Good job showing what crazy sanders will do to this country. Hillary don't even get me started.

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        • I know you think you did a good job but you didn't.

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          • We've had lower taxes than any time in american history for the past 3 decades, how is that working out for everyone? We could spend tax revenue on social programs, or unpopular wars. Rand Paul? Seriously? If the republican party ACTUALLY stood for what they claim and kept their "Social" conservatism out of politics and policy I could get on board with the party. Unfortunately, every republican president/congress in the past 40 years has increased the size and scope of the Federal government, increased deficit spending, raised taxes on the middle class and cut them for the rich. I don't like either party, but claiming that the GOP is the answer is ridiculous. Your example of the wealthy guardians moving to the rift and creating a utopian society in which everyone works hard and prospers is a pipe dream. The rich would move to the reef and do EXACTLY what they did here on earth. Suck all the wealth out for themselves leaving the rest of us buying Strange Coin lotto tickets and praying to RNG.

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            • TLDR: OP wants to talk politics on Destiny forums, so creates a half-baked simulation of events that pushes his agenda. There aren't any good candidates.

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              • Here's a counter view: In the beginning of the game, everyone starts out even. - no exotics, legendaries, etc.. All exotics and legendary items are finite. Blues and greens are infinite- but don't come close to competing with exotics or legendaries. As you get an item, the chances for you to get another exotic, or god-like legendary item increases. But - if you breakdown an item, it gets returned to the pool, so someone else can get it. People play for grind, in the hopes of getting a great weapon. Then some players decide they aren't going to breakdown items anymore, because it gives them an advantage in PvP. Obviously, if fewer people have 1000-yard stare with hidden hand, then your kills with a sniper go up. As there only a finite # of items, and because the chances of getting god-like weapons increases as you hold them Eventually, it gets to a point where 1% of all players have all the best weapons, and light levels of 320 and the remaining 99% only have blue or green weapons, with light levels of 170. At this point, 99% (the rest of the players) opt out of the game, because the game is no longer fun and they can't compete. Real life meaning: What the 1% are failing to realize is that not sharing the wealth will lead to people "quitting the game." In real life is means that normal, functioning society breaks down. If you look with open eyes, this is already happening in the US. Since the 1% are unwilling to do this themselves, people are now turning to government to do it for them, because the majority of us don't want society to breakdown. However, as policy makers are unable, or willing to halt or reverse this trend, more and more people are getting "fed up." There is only one fix for this - the 1% need to recognize what income inequality will lead too, and begin to "share their wealth." However, as history has shown repeatedly, they rarely realize it until it is too late.

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                • So what would be better outcome for the Vanguard and the City overall? If every guardian had 1 exotic to defend the city or 1% had hundreds of exotics (mostly sitting in the vault, unused)? You know the what the answer is. You're welcome.

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                  • Here's the part you missed: Sometimes players with well-established accounts will create a new character. Once that character reaches level cap (let's call it adulthood), max level gear can be withdrawn from the bank and the character is in an endgame raid! Meanwhile, a new person comes along and creates a character without the benefit of a loaded vault. They reach level cap, and are busting their ass to try to get the gear just to enter this endgame raid. They're getting better gear, but the threshold for raid participation keeps shifting. "Must be 315 light, 316, 317, 318...Must have Black Spindle to raid, must have raid gear to join Black Spindle group" They're no better or worse of a player as the first person, they just don't have the same resources. And it's hard to get resources without already having resources. So, if you're the kind of person that realizes some people just need a bit of help, maybe you're a Sanders guy. If you're the kind of person that believes it's every guardian for themselves, maybe you're a Rand guy. And if you're the kind of person that says "GIT GUD -blam!-SCRUB", you might be a Trump guy.

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                    • Nobody tell the OP about the collapse of the US housing market/economy. I don't think his tender brain could take it.

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                      • Edited by raj: 1/27/2016 5:07:38 PM
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                        I don't think you understand politics/economics/government/anything in the slightest and you should definitely stop listening to Rush Limbaugh so much, lest you become the very "low information voter" he makes fun of all the time. Gotta love Rush Limbaugh and his fans though, he makes fun of his listeners and they lap it up. Kind of sounds like Rush is more similar to Destiny.

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                      • Let's just kill everybody. Those who survive are obviously the only ones worth keeping, and we'll be rid of all the worthless trash taking up space. #Oryx2016

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                        • Edited by BloodS1ay3r: 1/27/2016 6:01:35 PM
                          To many words to read, keep politics out of this forum

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                        • you do have hilary and trump ya know >> ( smh )

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                        • Edited by Bungolickstaints: 1/27/2016 5:48:55 PM
                          Tl;dr OP watches too much Fox News. And I swear this information is so wrong it literally hurts to read. Seriously, this person fell for all the Fox News myths about Bernie's plan lol, it's hilarious...if it wasn't so sad...

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                          • What do you call a bunch of liberals in a basement? [spoiler] A Whine Cellar [/spoiler]

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                            • We are following the in the foot steps of stalin and hitler

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                            • I'll just leave this here to explain that his tax system is ludicrous

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                              • Cayde-6 2016!

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                              • Wat.

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                              • I'm a britbong and what is this?

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                              • anyone really read all of this?

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