No, they weren't an issue for me, like you want to make it sound. They were an issue for the overall balance of the Crucible. When something is clearly better than something else, then it's unbalanced. For PRs, the question isn't if they are an issue for me, the question was if they dominate AR and SR, making them the best primary at every range. And depending on the archetype, this was the case. A Messenger/similar PR destroyed Scout Rifles at range, pre patch. The Hammer of Sol isn't even worth a debate at this point. It was the strongest super in the game, thus it got nerfed and deserved that. Bungie even posted the numbers. It was the subclass with the highest KD and the highest super kill %. We do have access to certain numbers, and Thorn usage was through the roof back then. And as I said, I like the weapon. I use it nowadays because it's finally usable again. I personally never had a problem with Thorn, as I am generally the better player when I face opponents. And Thorn vs Thorn goes to the better player (ignoring lag). I can say the last sentence to you as well: Just because you don't realise that something is OP, doesn't mean that it isn't. (I am a top 1% player in terms of score per game average in Control and suicides (evading Arcblades and Hammer of Sols. Well, and Shores of Time+blink))