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Edited by N8sNotSoGr8:
11/6/2015 10:26:53 PM
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To all of the people saying to suck it up, or grow a pair...really, just take a step back and look at this issue.
Why did they make the change in the first place? Honestly, give me any other reason why they would change a drop rate consistent in the game for months, just out of the blue, other than to make us have to play the game longer?
And that's the real issue here. It's not about who said what, most of us usually take trash talk on these forums anyways.
But when our community manager, the guy that's supposed to be [b]our voice[/b], makes a statement like this, it's rather unsettling.
Who cares about the tone of his text, who cares if it might have been insulting?
[b]Whats more troubling to me, is that he seems so far detached from the issues plaguing this game, that he doesn't even realize why this was such a problem in the first place. [/b]
Bungie has made repeated steps in the last couple of months to lengthen the amount of time we have to play, just to do simple things. Now leveling up a weapon (for a lot of people mind you) has become so tedious, that anywhere in the neighborhood of 5-6 strikes [b]might[/b] net you enough for an upgrade node or two. (Provided you also have the other upgrade mats as well which are harder to get now as well). And gaining rep for factions? Why did we need to remove the rep payout from the nightfall ? It's not like you got more rep for doing it on Reset than doing it on the Monday before reset... (As was there defense for removing the nightfall buff).
So really, when this developer has gone out of its way to slow down our progression, has time gated away weapons they advertised ([b]before people jump down my throat, I'm referring to no time to explain and SS which WERE advertised[/b]), has made a new system involving RNG and microtransactions (lookin at you Tess Everis)...I mean, do they not understand...?
Who here wants to defend these changes listed above?
I can guarantee you, [b]a majority of you do not[/b].
And yet, amidst all of the problems we've tried desperately to communicate with them over the last month, they finally break down, cherry pick an issue, try to defend it themselves here on the forums (a Bungie account actually made a stink defending it in a comment to a previous post) , and laugh it off like they did nothing wrong in the next update.
Bungie is very rapidly sucking the fun value out of this game, and many of us are just trying to prevent that. Our community manager is literally the [b]only[/b] apparent link we have to Bungie, so when he undermines what we say like this, we're basically talking into the wind anymore.
[b]"Hurt feelings" and "insults" be damned. This isn't the problem. The fact that they don't realize why the weapon parts issue was just the tip of the iceberg, is. [/b]
*hovers*
[spoiler]bleep-bloop[/spoiler]
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[quote]To all of the people saying to suck it up, or grow a pair...really, just take a step back and look at this issue. Why did they make the change in the first place? Honestly, give me any other reason why they would change a drop rate consistent in the game for months, just out of the blue, other than to make us have to play the game longer? And that's the real issue here. It's not about who said what, most of us usually take trash talk on these forums anyways. But when our community manager, the guy that's supposed to be [b]our voice[/b], makes a statement like this, it's rather unsettling. Who cares about the tone of his text, who cares if it might have been insulting? [b]Whats more troubling to me, is that he seems so far detached from the issues plaguing this game, that he doesn't even realize why this was such a problem in the first place. [/b] Bungie has made repeated steps in the last couple of months to lengthen the amount of time we have to play, just to do simple things. Now leveling up a weapon (for a lot of people mind you) has become so tedious, that anywhere in the neighborhood of 5-6 strikes [b]might[/b] net you enough for an upgrade node or two. (Provided you also have the other upgrade mats as well which are harder to get now as well). And gaining rep for factions? Why did we need to remove the rep payout from the nightfall ? It's not like you got more rep for doing it on Reset than doing it on the Monday before reset... (As was there defense for removing the nightfall buff). So really, when this developer has gone out of its way to slow down our progression, has time gated away weapons they advertised ([b]before people jump down my throat, I'm referring to no time to explain and SS which WERE advertised[/b]), has made a new system involving RNG and microtransactions (lookin at you Tess Everis)...I mean, do they not understand...? Who here wants to defend these changes listed above? I can guarantee you, [b]a majority of you do not[/b]. And yet, amidst all of the problems we've tried desperately to communicate with them over the last month, they finally break down, cherry pick an issue, try to defend it themselves here on the forums (a Bungie account actually made a stink defending it in a comment to a previous post) , and laugh it off like they did nothing wrong in the next update. Bungie is very rapidly sucking the fun value out of this game, and many of us are just trying to prevent that. Our community manager is literally the [b]only[/b] apparent link we have to Bungie, so when he undermines what we say like this, we're basically talking into the wind anymore. [b]"Hurt feelings" and "insults" be damned. This isn't the problem. The fact that they don't realize why the weapon parts issue was just the tip of the iceberg, is. [/b] *hovers* [spoiler]bleep-bloop[/spoiler][/quote]
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My point, exactly isn't complaining, it's an awesome game but these are big issues they refuse to address. Appears most of us spend more time on here than Deej's actual job entails, and he sure as hell ain't playing Destiny with that grimoire.
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I agree but it is insulting as well.
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I personally don't care because my life doesn't revolve around Destiny
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So your life has to revolve around Destiny to make this kind of criticism. That's your argument?
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Nice assumption, but no. That wasn't my argument, that was my statement; people are whining over dark humor even when the devs admit a flaw and announce a compromise.
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You've literally missed the entire point of my comment. Also, what else was I supposed to draw from that? You lot never seem to be able to argue our critique without insults...
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Me saying people are whining is an insult to you? Damn you're more sensitive than I thought. If they didn't realize the Weapon Parts were a problem, they wouldn't have said it in their update to begin with. Now, I'm off. Your opinion won't be swayed and mine won't either, so this will result in a back and forth of nothingness.
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[quote]I don't personally care, because my life doesn't revolve around Destiny [/quote] Again, missing the point of my entire comment. My concern is with his apparent lack of awareness, not some hurt feelings from reading the update. But seeing as to how you had nothing meaningful to argue anyways, it probably is best for you to be on your way.
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People that defend the game are in denial that they just waste their money and are trying to believe that the money they spend is worth it[spoiler]there are some people that are purely enjoy the game too[/spoiler]
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It's designed via the Skinner Box. Highly addictive and great looking drug.
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Indeed
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As someone who finds himself usually the one who types out these lengthy posts with thought-provoking content, I applaud you for speaking the truth and how a great many of us feel very directly.
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[quote]To all of the people saying to suck it up, or grow a pair...really, just take a step back and look at this issue. Why did they make the change in the first place? Honestly, give me any other reason why they would change a drop rate consistent in the game for months, just out of the blue, other than to make us have to play the game longer? And that's the real issue here. It's not about who said what, most of us usually take trash talk on these forums anyways. But when our community manager, the guy that's supposed to be [b]our voice[/b], makes a statement like this, it's rather unsettling. Who cares about the tone of his text, who cares if it might have been insulting? [b]Whats more troubling to me, is that he seems so far detached from the issues plaguing this game, that he doesn't even realize why this was such a problem in the first place. [/b] Bungie has made repeated steps in the last couple of months to lengthen the amount of time we have to play, just to do simple things. Now leveling up a weapon (for a lot of people mind you) has become so tedious, that anywhere in the neighborhood of 5-6 strikes [b]might[/b] net you enough for an upgrade node or two. (Provided you also have the other upgrade mats as well which are harder to get now as well). And gaining rep for factions? Why did we need to remove the rep payout from the nightfall ? It's not like you got more rep for doing it on Reset than doing it on the Monday before reset... (As was there defense for removing the nightfall buff). So really, when this developer has gone out of its way to slow down our progression, has time gated away weapons they advertised ([b]before people jump down my throat, I'm referring to no time to explain and SS which WERE advertised[/b]), has made a new system involving RNG and microtransactions (lookin at you Tess Everis)...I mean, do they not understand...? Who here wants to defend these changes listed above? I can guarantee you, [b]a majority of you do not[/b]. And yet, amidst all of the problems we've tried desperately to communicate with them over the last month, they finally break down, cherry pick an issue, try to defend it themselves here on the forums (a Bungie account actually made a stink defending it in a comment to a previous post) , and laugh it off like they did nothing wrong in the next update. Bungie is very rapidly sucking the fun value out of this game, and many of us are just trying to prevent that. Our community manager is literally the [b]only[/b] apparent link we have to Bungie, so when he undermines what we say like this, we're basically talking into the wind anymore. [b]"Hurt feelings" and "insults" be damned. This isn't the problem. The fact that they don't realize why the weapon parts issue was just the tip of the iceberg, is. [/b] *hovers* [spoiler]bleep-bloop[/spoiler][/quote]
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Very well said.
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Thank you for this comment, well said. Its hard to find the exact words to describe all the problems with this game, but you did a nice job
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Just speaking my robotic, hovering mind. *hovers* [spoiler]bleep-bloop[/spoiler]
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Edited by NEONateZERO: 11/7/2015 1:58:26 AMJust saying, but all those things you mentioned, about stretching the game out, you talk like you want the updates to make the game last.... less time. While the updates may feel tedious whilst playing it or thinking about it the way you are, I can't help but feel like without them the game would just lose its flare even faster. I think people are losing the ability to pause while writing statements to think about alternatives.
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I've got an alternative for you then. Make legitimate and meaningful content, that doesn't have to be lengthened by such underhanded and lazy tactics. Why is that so hard for a developer of this caliber to do? *hovers* [spoiler]bleep-bloop[/spoiler]
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"Hard because money. Sincerely, DeeJ"
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Edited by NEONateZERO: 11/7/2015 2:21:12 AMIt baffles me too but even still, I feel like they're just trying to salvage what the game was when it came out, I feel like if Destiny is to be what people want it to be, it'd have to be completely redone. What would you suggest as "legitimate and meaningful" content, anyway?
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Edited by N8sNotSoGr8: 11/7/2015 2:25:37 AMHow bout just starting with a meaningful story? And I don't really have sympathy for these guys. They are absolutely swimming in our money right now, there is no excuse as to why these issues still plague the game. I'm not asking for a complete redo of the game. But these changes they're implementing, are not to make the game better. They're to keep the community playing through the winter...instead of using all of that new micro-transaction revenue, to give us something to actually sink our teeth into. *hovers* [spoiler]bleep-bloop[/spoiler]
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Then they'd just end up making another paid DLC. The story is already set in place, what do you expect? No one's talking about sympathy, either. Sure it's easy to see it at that angle when you yourself are effected and are the customer, so am I, but since personally I don't feel like I care that much, I have to wonder what things are like on Bungie's end.
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Oh, you actually believe you're getting a free DLC. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
