All I'm saying is, OP's post was to remove 0 rewards from HARD KINGS FALL. There has never been a guarantee for gear/loot in any raid. So why now? Also , [quote]Sometimes ppl -blam!- up and that makes the raid last even longer. Completing it means you deserve a reward[/quote] If anything, if you took longer, you should get worse rewards or none at all. This game has never been known for more time invested = greater rewards. Why would it start now?