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10/22/2015 2:39:50 AM
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So I don't mean to brag but I seriously figured it out. Of all the species, it is most clear that the Fallen have previously interacted with and been "on the side of" the traveler, from variks dialogue and grimore. What is not clear is why they left their own system and chased the traveler here; variks says "The Great Machine resides with your House. Do you think it will stay?" suggesting the traveler may intend to leave us as it did them, meaning the answer to the Travelers next move is in the past. Now, here is something that nobody is focusing on in this game: souls exist. we know from the grimore that the white steam that leaves Fallen after they die is "their soul escaping the body." We know that certain hive enemies, namely Crota, remain in a limbo-like soul form and can linger on after death. Now here's the BIG KICKER: we know that AT LEAST the hive and the Fallen can REVIVE these souls / restore their bodies (Crota, the Archon Priest where they are "trying to restore its soul!" (rip)) SOUND FAMILIAR?!?!?! If your lightbulb hasn't gone off yet, let me spell it out: this is the power that the traveler has given humanity in the form of the Guardians; the ability to reanimate the dead. so lets assume that the traveler gave the same power to the Fallen for a minute, since we know it did something similar to their civilization as ours. Now, I started listening to as much variks dialogue as I could and I started noticing A TON of suggestions that the Fallen had their own version of ghosts and guardians when the Traveler was in their possession!!! -"Listen long enough and you will hear stories of great Eliksni heroes. When the Great Machine was still with us." (HFS!!!) -"Does the Great Machine speak to you, as it did to me?" -"We are friends, yes Guardian? Give me your Ghost. / Guardian, come here. I want to see your Ghost." Aside from the wonderful idea that Variks is an ex-guardian, this makes us look at the current situation as a repeat of the past. Sooo what happened to the Fallen's home? Why did they leave? Why would we leave if we had to? Because of the oppressive aliens pursuing our Traveler overcome us, and the traveler runs off to another race to bless with ghosts and the gift of ETERNAL LIFE, electing that race it's new champions. OBVIOUSLY we would chase after it if it left, along with our ghosts. which is what the fallen are doing. so what drove traveler away from the fallen? The Hive. Now, the hive is the only other race we know had some form of contanct with the traveler since they were IN POSSESION OF A PEICE OF IT despite the fact that we know from the grimore that the darkness has "searched for weaknesses" but has not yet breached the city, meaning they must have acquired it before it made the move to tower.... I'm just going to assume this happened ages ago instead of before humans discovered it on mars. It seems likely that the Traveler was "theirs" before the Fallen's and thus we could safely assume they pursued it on the Fallen world, and THUS assume they were the threat that drove out the traveler! We see they have this shard in that one mission where we discover they are using it to try at "Draining the Traveler of its Light" (!!!), and from this we can infer that they were attempting to reclaim whatever power the traveler gave to and then took from them when it left. maybe the cabal were before the hive, maybe some other race that got exterminated by the hive defending the traveler with their own immortal warriors. who knows. THANK YOU for reading this far. FINAL PEICE: Im not entirely sure on this one. I'd love some fresh thoughts on it, but: I think the Traveler is some rouge agent of / mirror double to / dark or contradictory VEX entity. EVIDENCE: -The Great Machine implies it is mechanical, but it's decidedly sentient - The Vex are the only race who pursue it and attempt to wipe it out despite needing no reviving powers from it -Off of that, THE VEX ALREADY HAVE reviving powers, and an explaination for them!! the Restorative Mind strike tells us a lot: the vex can BRING BACK fallen beings by BRIDGING TIME through multiple timelines What if the Traveler is using this same power to gain the allegiance of different races trying to obtain a seperate power from this vex all-timeline-all-worlds utopia, but saw the situation spiral out of control as various alien races began to turn on it? What if this whole OBVIOUS hinting at multiple timelines / time looping in the game is because YOUR GHOST IS PULLING DIFFERENT YOUS FROM DIFFERENT TIMELINES LIKE THE VEX??!?!
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  • The Hive ran from the traveler. The Hive hate the traveler. Read all the grimoires on it, I can't remember all of it but before I left for the army all I know is that the hive hated and feared the traveler and they called it something else. That is why they went to the deepest darkest place on their planet for this worm God, and that dirty feeds on the light. And that worm God gave them that ability to overcome death. Arash or however you spell Oryxs' original name before she had a sex change and be came a he. Aurash killed her sisters and then I think killed herself and was reborn as Oryx. I can't quite remember entirely but I will read up on it again.

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  • also Rasputin has two very interesting protocols ABHORRENT IMPERATIVE - A last-resort measure aimed at preventing the Traveler from leaving Earth during a major calamity by crippling it. Rasputin devised this protocol in secret from both his human overseers and fellow Warminds. LOKI CROWN - Fire all available caedometric weaponry at the Traveler. Now why would a warmind have these protocols Also it is rumored that he traveler caused the god wave that killed everything on fundament in the book of sorrows so that nothing on the planet would rise against it.

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  • Those are some interesting ideas, but the part about the souls is somewhat speculation, so we should try to find Grimoire cards to back this up. It's been proven that the Traveler did visit and abandon the Fallen, and its past with the Hive is seen in the Book of Sorrows Grimoire collection. Basically, the Traveler and other beings/machines of the "Light" attempted to destroy every living creature on the Hive species' homeworld, in order to destroy the "Darkness," a species of worms (similar to the worms seen on the Dreadnaught). The Hive species ended up making a deal with the worms to combine as a species and create the Hive we know of. Of course, they proceeded to exterminate every other species on the planet and leave the system. Therefore, I think the "Light" is just as evil as the "Darkness" in this case. I'm not sure how the Vex fit in yet, but the "Darkness" we destroyed in the Black Garden doesn't seem to have any connection to the Hive's "Darkness," at least not yet.

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  • I will do more reading, it's clear I need to. But I'm convinced at this point "The Darkness" is a propaganda-like fear mongering term created by the speaker by the speaker to clump all of its enemies into one easy hate-target from newborn guardians.

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  • Make this a separate thread so more people see your theory and you get more insight!

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  • Umma do more research and put it together better, keep an eye out...

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  • Oh Fapisauris Will Tell You The Hive Have Had MUCH Contact With The Traveller The Grimoire Cards For The Calcified Fragments Have Told Fapisauris That The Hive Have Been Chasing The Traveller For A VERY Long Time And Have Caused The Extinction Of Many Other Spices, Some The Traveller Has Chosen, Others Were Not Specified Chosen. Type Into The Googly Thing All Destiny Grimoire And The First Result Should Say Something Like Destiny-Grimoire.info And Read The Calcified Fragment Cards You'll See What Fapisauris Is Talking About

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  • NICE. nice stuff. thank you fapisauris. this stuff backs my theory further: the light-eating worms are the device through which the traveler gave the hive immortality and the cause of their pursuit of it after abandonment.

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