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10/21/2015 5:11:31 PM
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Dude, I don't even know where to start. But your Utopian world is a fallacy.
I operate in reality. The world is a certain way. We all should take responsibility for situations we put ourselves in. I have every right to walk up to someone and call them a bitch. They then have every right to call me a bitch right back.
If I walked into a PETA convention and started skinning a deer on their conference table I should expect to catch some shit, right? I did nothing wrong. What I did was perfectly legal and ethical. But I put myself in a bad situation with a group of highly volatile people.
It would be great if bigotry, racism, etc. didn't exist. It doesn't work that way. So deal with it yourself.
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So basically you are saying that this is boy's club, and if a girl wants to enter it, they have play by their rules? Because this is how the Peta analogy works. They are a group of animal lovers (not in the south park sense). So if you enter their group, you have to play by their rules. I disagree with that. The analogy is bad. Gaming isn't something that centered around males by itself. This however is the case with Peta. They are a group of people who like animals, by default. You won't be a member of Peta if you don't like their ideals. You can play Zelda however, without being a guy. If you say that the gaming world is made by guys for guys, I would still disagree, but you logic would at least be coherent.
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Guy is a moron. You might be better off arguing with a wall. At least that can have a window for words to get through.
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[quote]So basically you are saying that this is boy's club, and if a girl wants to enter it, they have play by their rules? [/quote] Nope. Don't walk into hostile territory and then expect people to act differently. [quote]Because this is how the Peta analogy works. They are a group of animal lovers (not in the south park sense). So if you enter their group, you have to play by their rules. [/quote] You're really bad at abstract thought. That's not what I said at all. I'm not entering their group. I showed up and skinned a deer. I don't have to play by their rules, at all. [quote]I disagree with that. The analogy is bad. Gaming isn't something that centered around males by itself. This however is the case with Peta. They are a group of people who like animals, by default. You won't be a member of Peta if you don't like their ideals. You can play Zelda however, without being a guy. [/quote] I have no idea where you took that thought train. [quote]If you say that the gaming world is made by guys for guys, I would still disagree, but you logic would at least be coherent.[/quote] My logic slapped you in the face and it pissed you off. I'm advocating people take responsibility for their actions. Cause and effect. Causation. Females are entering a realm where anonymity has given children more courage to act foolish and say foolish things. These children will almost certainly grow out of this phase. All players get harassed playing online, just a different type. It's actually incredibly sexist to say that women should be differently in online gaming than men. If we are all equal, than we are all equally capable of dealing with stupid people online.
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You have the logic of a 1st grader. You must be one of the geek virgins you spoke of.
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Yes, as someone who has stated within this thread that this behavior is unacceptable and unjustifiable and that these people are badly raised children...I then must be a part of this same group. And you claim I'm the one with a 1st graders logic...
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Yes so everyone who is racist, sexist, or anything else bad simply had bad parents. You're a -blam!-ing idiot.
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[quote]Yes so everyone who is racist, sexist, or anything else bad simply had bad parents. You're a -blam!-ing idiot.[/quote] I bet you are one of the few people who would ever disagree with me about this. Parents instill your core values, for better or worse. Also, it's mostly children acting like this. You, yourself, are a prime example of this. Reported again.
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Parents have a key role yes. But they are not the deciding factor in how a child turns out. I bet you had great parents. Too bad for them you turned out as you did. They have my pity.
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[quote]Parents have a key role yes. But they are not the deciding factor in how a child turns out. I bet you had great parents. Too bad for them you turned out as you did. They have my pity.[/quote] Reported for harassment.
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Edited by Killlerschaf: 10/21/2015 7:15:01 PMNah, I'm pretty good with abstract thoughts, that's exactly why your analogy confused me. What you say is that nobody should be surprised when he will get some heat, when he walks up to Peta members, while skinning a deer. This is logical, because of their ideals as animal lovers. Harming an animal in front of animal lovers (don't get hung up on the word harm) will usually not yield great results. This is self-explanatory. I don't understand how this is related to gaming however, if you do not suppose that this is a boy's club, with rules made by said boys. The analogy also clearly indicates that female players are provoking a male gamer, simply through playing a game. This is the case because you talk about skinning a deer. Something that provokes the animal lovers. What exactly are female players doing, that they deserve harassment? What's the provoking action in your analogy for the female gamer , if not playing a game itself? Your last point would be correct, if female gamers wouldn't get harassed in a way a male would never experience or could imagine. However, I disagree with the notion of female and male behaviour being similar in all situations. Sociologic studies have clearly shown that this is not the case.
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[quote]I don't understand how this is related to gaming however, if you do not suppose that this is a boy's club, with rules made by said boys.[/quote] It relates to gaming just like this, I'm walking into hostile territory and doing what I want to do. It's not any more complicated than that. Females gamers are walking into territory that is notorious for having foul mouthed, badly raised children. These female gamers are then doing whatever they want to do. Once you open yourself up to the public, the rules get tossed out the window. It's the same reason why video games don't rate online experiences. They just can't predict how stupid people will act. My original analogy was simply me making a wrong turn into a PETA convention while in my hunting gear. I exaggerated it later for emphasis. I acknowledge that my exaggeration may have taken it off the rails, but the underlying point is still valid.
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A PETA convention is MEANT ONLY FOR PEOPLE OF LIKE MINDS!!!!! The gaming world is not only meant for, sexist, racist, children, or adults. You are a bitch ass moron and need to grow the -blam!- up. "But I live in the real world with real problems" no you use the way things are as an excuse to keep them that way. I live in a world where I try every day to make sure my daughter has the rights and privileges as my sons without discrimination. Pussies like you who only say that's how it is so accept it need to -blam!-ing die. Your worse than the ones who cause the problems.
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[quote]A PETA convention is MEANT ONLY FOR PEOPLE OF LIKE MINDS!!!!! The gaming world is not only meant for, sexist, racist, children, or adults. You are a bitch ass moron and need to grow the -blam!- up. "But I live in the real world with real problems" no you use the way things are as an excuse to keep them that way. I live in a world where I try every day to make sure my daughter has the rights and privileges as my sons without discrimination. Pussies like you who only say that's how it is so accept it need to -blam!-ing die. Your worse than the ones who cause the problems.[/quote] The fact that you just flew off the handle is proof enough for me that you are incapable of being an adult. I blame your liberal upbringing. When people like you can't accept that not everyone will agree with you, you then launch into a tirade making wild accusations, using insane profanity, and acting exactly like what you claim to be against...an ideological radical. PS - you've been reported.
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The fact I flew off the handle proves the only thing in your mind that is acceptable is sexism and racism. Anything directed at you is an injustice and must be reported so it can stop. Thank you for proving to be the piece of shit I had you pegged for. P.S. Fcks I could give about you reporting me 0.
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You're literally too stupid to reason with. You can't find any single direct quote of me saying anything like what you are stating. Keeping making shit up. You've go nobody but yourself to blame for your own ignorance. Reported again.
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I like a civil debate, even if I do not fully agree with the other person. Nearly a lost art nowadays. I agree that you just have to spend 2 hours in different CoD lobbies, and you might ask yourself if humanity degraded to savages. This isn't constrained to CoD, but it feels like a certain type of gamer gravitates towards a certain kind of game... I will also agree that as a female gamer, you need the same thick skin as every other male gamer, because getting called "a son of a b" is probably still on the nicer end of the spectrum, which mostly depends on education and age. However, the type of harassment you will "enjoy" as a female gamer, is in most cases on a different level, because your gender itself is the reason for the harassment. A problem a male gamer simply doesn't have. That's why I am still confused, why you think that a female gamer should just expect to get harassed, for being female. I fully agree with you in terms of "normal harassment". This is anonymous online gaming, just like you said. But as long as we can agree on "Vocaloids" being absolute horseradish, I think that everything is more or less ok.
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[quote]That's why I am still confused, why you think that a female gamer should just expect to get harassed, for being female. [/quote] Because that's the nature of the beast. Until these immature children are removed from the equation, this will continue. Music today, just ain't music. Noise isn't music.
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Wow. Just wow. You would probably stand by and watch a murder or -blam!- happen, walk away, shrug your shoulders and say, "well that's the way of the world."
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[quote]Wow. Just wow. You would probably stand by and watch a murder or -blam!- happen, walk away, shrug your shoulders and say, "well that's the way of the world."[/quote] Show me where I said that. Keep it, big boy. Your hysterical side is showing. Reported for harassment.
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So, according to you, gaming is hostile territory. And why would that be? Why would people playing games be any more hostile than people standing around in a room? I guess you also tell women it's mostly their fault for being -blam!-. If you don't know where to start, start with yourself...or just stop.
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[quote]So, according to you, gaming is hostile territory.[/quote] Sci-Fi shooters can be hostile territory for women gamers. The fact that this thread exists is proof enough of that. [quote]And why would that be? Why would people playing games be any more hostile than people standing around in a room?[/quote] Internet gives anonymity to cowardly people to act foolish. There's no anonymity in a crowded room. Somebody will punch you in the face for saying horribly sexist disgusting things in a crowded room. [quote]I guess you also tell women it's mostly their fault for being -blam!-.[/quote] I assumed you were referring to unwanted sexual intercourse. I'm disturbed to see that you think hostility in online games in somehow equivalent to sexually assaulting another human being. I think that speaks more about you than it does about me. [quote]If you don't know where to start, start with yourself...or just stop.[/quote] No, I will never stop. As long as people like you exist I will be here to tell you that you're stupid and your PC policing isn't solving anything.
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-blam!- is about hostility, not about sex. Sci-Fi shooters are only hostile as long as people like you populate them. Anonymity allows you do perpetuate this stereotype. I doubt you'd call me stupid to my face. As I posted elsewhere in this thread, you illustrate the long hard road ahead to civilization.
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[quote]-blam!- is about hostility, not about sex.[/quote] Yeah, no shit. [quote]Sci-Fi shooters are only hostile as long as people like you populate them.[/quote] I'm here railing against people who are hostile. You read, bro? [quote]Anonymity allows you do perpetuate this stereotype. I doubt you'd call me stupid to my face.[/quote] Stereotypes perpetuate themselves, that's why they're stereotypes. If you acted like this to me in public, I would surely call you stupid to your face. [quote]As I posted elsewhere in this thread, you illustrate the long hard road ahead to civilization.[/quote] I think you mean "false Utopia."
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You rail against hostile folk by telling women they get what they deserve for gaming? You read your own stuff? Stereotypes don't propagate themselves. They need a medium. and hahahahahaha. You don't know me, uh, bro. If you did, you would never say that to my face. I can assure you. But, you know what? You might get it one day, that Utopia is a goal to be reached for, not dismissed, and every step we take closer to it makes us better. We never take that step unless we desire to make things better, instead of telling folk to settle for what is. Advancement doesn't come from sitting still, and the older you get, the more you realize there really is no sitting still. There's advancement and entropy. Which camp are you in?
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[quote]You rail against hostile folk by telling women they get what they deserve for gaming?[/quote] Oh, do show me where I said that. No inferences. Just quote where I said that. [quote]You don't know me, uh, bro. If you did, you would never say that to my face. I can assure you.[/quote] Internet bad ass over here, folks. Look out. [quote]Utopia is a goal to be reached for[/quote] Utopia is the absence of free will and personal expression. Sounds like fascism to me. Please go away.
